Kojima and Shinkawa talk about Metal Gear with Game Informer

As part of their Metal Gear Sold V coverage, Game Informer conducted an interview with both Hideo Kojima and Yoji Shinkawa. First, Kojima talked about his intention of passing on the series to someone else, like what happened with the Alien movies.

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“To be honest, I’ve actually wanted to do something similar just to change it. I don’t know if the Metal Gear brand sometimes is a bit heavy to carry. The franchise is difficult to handle.” Kojima said before that he didn’t want to be know as ‘the Metal Gear guy’. “But so far I’ve had no success [passing the torch]. Metal Gear Rising, fortunately that was a spin-off so that went well. Ideally I would like to step out from the Metal Gear franchise as a producer and dedicate myself to other games. So far that has proven to be a bit difficult. Aliens is a very successful example. Unfortunately, in our case, it’s more like The Terminator, that once Cameron steps out of it there was kind of a mess.”

Row of MGS Games

Kojima also talked a bit about Metal Gear Solid and the Japanese game industry.

“I try not to think like I’m a Japanese developer.” Kojima said. “Because, in Japan, Metal Gear only has so much success, in terms that people don’t like that much Metal Gear here. The kind of things you mention as carrying the torch and all that passion, that’s not something you hear often in Japan, so I try not to think of myself as doing that.”

Kojima’s vision on game development seems to be different from most Japanese creators.

“Just recently many of the Japanese developers are looking toward different directions from where I’m looking, so I’m not close to anyone. I haven’t really been close to anyone in Japanese game development. It’s kind of hard to talk about out dreams together because they’re different.”

A Japanese developer Kojima recently collaborated with for the production of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, is the action game oriented studio Platinum Games. “Honestly, within the Japanese game industry it would be Platinum Games, I’m close with them.” Kojima said. “I have good friends there. Other than that, I guess people that make indie games. Actually for these days, it’s easier for me to talk about my dreams with movie directors. I feel a little but more comfortable taking about my dreams and personal goals with them.” One of these directors is Guillermo del Toro, someone Kojima meets up with every now and then.

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The interview with Yoji Shinkawa was mainly about his work on Metal Gear Solid V, and how the process has changed since he began working on the series. “One thing that is different though is awhile back I used to create everything by myself, including the character art.” Shinkawa explained. “Compared to right now we are working as a concept art team. Everyone is working hand-in-hand together.”

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While his work for Metal Gear has always had anime and manga influences, but for MGSV, Shinkawa wants to make sure they aren’t there ‘on a conscious level’. “But then again, there will be some Japanese elements in there.” he added, since a large part of his team, and himself are Japanese. “Also, that’s not something I want to completely remove, because if there are no Japanese elements then what we create [loses its flavor].”

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To read the full interviews, check Game informer’s Metal Gear Solid V cover story in their March 2014 issue.

Source: Game Informer March 2014 Issue

  • crimsonfox

    Man, if Del Toro directed the Metal Gear movie that would be a match made in heaven. I work at a studio that Del Toro visits from time to time working on a future unannounced project. And he’s genuinely in love with Metal Gear. One day David Hayter came to help out with a script and ran into Del Toro in the parking lot. They got into a pretty lengthy conversation about it. This is pre MGS V announcement. So Hayter was still perceived to be Snake so it was a pretty positive conversation. But Del Toro is so good at making specific characters come out of comics I couldn’t imagine what he could do with a franchise like Metal Gear. God Damn it I wish this would happen.

    • Nyxus

      You work somewhere where Del Toro and Hayter just casually walk around? That’s pretty awesome. 😛

      • crimsonfox

        I have seen Hayter like 3 times and Del Toro is there like 3 to 4 times a month depending if he’s somewhere else directing. Really cool guy, drives a new VW Beatle. Really polite and tries to talk to everyone on the way to his meetings.

        • Nyxus

          Very nice. And I think the director for the MGS movie hasn’t been chosen yet, right? So it could still be Del Toro. It would be a good choice, not only because he’s a great director but also because he’s friends with Kojima and they would probably understand each other well.

          • crimsonfox

            They understand each other and Del Toro doesn’t compromise when it comes to content. Pacific Rim is a good example of sticking to his guns. And honestly any man who didn’t like Pacific Rim must not have never enjoyed huge monsters and robots ain’t no man damn it!

            Plus Del Toro knows his Metal Gear lore. He’d be great, the only thing would be the length. He’d need a 2 1/2 to 3 hours to tell the story worth telling.

          • Janeo

            This seems like a real possibility lets hope it happens. I think an mgs movie would have the most success if they base on mgs3 I think that’s the best chance they have to make the movie good they would have to take some like maybe some of the cobra unit but I think mgs3 movie could work. Have you ever talked to hater he just seems like the kind of person who would be cool to talk to. What’s your job by the way because it sounds awesome

          • crimsonfox

            I work security at a studio. I checked in Hayter once. He was cool I told him I was a mega fan of metal gear and then instead of putting him in guest parking I put him in our executive area. He appreciated it, and on his way out said “see ya later Carlos” in Snake’s voice. One of the highlights of my life defiantly haha

            If they did a movie I’d wish it to start with The Cobra unit. They could start from scratch kind of, and it’ll be easy for them to implement a love story between the Joy and the Sorrow. Chicks eat that shit up haha and have her show how bad ass she is.

          • Janeo

            That would be cool but if they did it with the boss it would mean kojima would have to write the script so who knows if he is willing to that. Metal gear would actually make a really cool tv show it could be about the boss in season 1 then big boss season 2 and onwards. Having David hayter say that to you may just make you one of the luckiest people alive

          • crimsonfox

            It was pretty cool. I also said I was a fan of Guyver 2 and his work on Watchmen and X Men so he knew I was a legit fan. So I think he liked me a little more haha

            Kojima could probably give them the outline of what needs to be shown between the boss and the Sorrow also the cobra unit and the war they fight in. But he could probably trust Del Toro to do an interesting story in the boundaries of a movie. If Kojima write a movie it’d be 10 hours long. He needs to give then plot points and have someone else write the movie

          • Janeo

            Sounds like a movie I would wanna see. I’m also a fan of hayter outside of metal gear I can’t wait to see his new film the devils mile

          • Mitchell

            I want your job!

          • crimsonfox

            After 4 years, my job is pretty routine. I see celebrities all the time and that whole thing had worn off haha. I kind of hate my job now honestly. You don’t want my job LOL

            But! Through this job I have worked at the playboy mansion over a dozen times. And that’s always a good time 🙂

          • as

            As i know,MGS movie will be directed by Spike Lee..Gezz,fuck his movies..My favorite movie,(original) Oldboy has been screwed by his direction.Such disguting….I prefer Del Toro.Pacific Rim so awesome!He’s great director,too.

          • Nyxus

            I though they hadn’t picked a director yet. Where did you read that?

          • Spencer Shea

            The guy that spoke about suggesting Kiefer sutherland, Ari something is the directer

          • Nyxus

            He’s just the producer as far as I know.

          • Spencer Shea

            I am not sure but I think his brother does any film he does

          • Spencer Shea

            I personally want to see Liam Neeson as a old Big Boss and a newer actor would be better for solid snake

          • crimsonfox

            I haven’t heard that either. I would hate for Metal Gear to be dubbed “a Spike Lee joint” that dude is a stuck up idiot.

          • Spencer Shea

            Last news is that the iron man guy is doing it and has full say in everything

          • crimsonfox

            Who’s “the iron man guy” and what’s everything?

          • Spencer Shea

            ari avid and I am pretty sure his brother is directing, He has control over the movie, For example hideo wanted whats his name from wolverine to be snake Ari vetoed

          • crimsonfox

            I can’t tell if you’re being serious with being so vague or if you’re just trying to piss me off.

          • Spencer Shea

            If I am pissing you off from being a vague you have a lot to work through

            The info Hideo kojima gave about it is very vague anyways, I just can’t be bothered to look up the names

          • crimsonfox

            I said “trying to piss me off” I’m not actually pissed off. It just sounded sarcastic answering the question then throwing out the “what’s his name” in your reply. I should have put “haha” at the end of my last comment to make it sound less serious haha.

          • William of Orange

            I read some reviews about the remake and decided to watch the original first.
            This movie was intriguing from beginning to end and it’s definitely one of my favorite movies of all time.

    • Nekkedsnake

      Totally agree with you on Del Toro being the director for a live action MGS movie! in fact I wrote a little about this myself here:

      http://nekkedsnake.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/pgs-kojima-x-del-toro/

      it would SO AWESOM if this were to really happen. he’d do his best to portray all MGS characters as true to the game as possible i feel.

  • Golgari

    Great interview.

    I hope HK shares his dreams with movie directors/producers and he is not thinking at the same time about movies only instead of games. I want Hideo Kojima to continue making great experiences because he is good at Games (especially games with stealth mechanics) and I’m sure that Kojima won’t make Metal Gear all the time but I hope that he will continue to make some MG games after his new iP/work. He is a great game designer.

    • Nyxus

      Yeah, what would be nice is if you would alternate between new projects and Metal Gear games, that way he could do both.

  • PrinceHeir

    ““To be honest, I’ve actually wanted to do something similar just to change it. I don’t know if the Metal Gear brand sometimes is a bit heavy to carry. The franchise is difficult to handle.” Kojima said before that he didn’t want to be know as ‘the Metal Gear guy’. “But so far I’ve had no success [passing the torch]. Metal Gear Rising, fortunately that was a spin-off so that went well. Ideally I would like to step out from the Metal Gear franchise as a producer and dedicate myself to other games. So far that has proven to be a bit difficult. Aliens is a very successful example. Unfortunately, in our case, it’s more like The Terminator, that once Cameron steps out of it there was kind of a mess.”

    i already said this multiple times now. it’s better to start doing other projects or your old works like Snatcher X Policenauts and Zone of the Enders 3. Kojima has the potential to do more than MGS. it’s just a shame that he’s still in chains with MGS series even though other creators like Hironobu Sakaguchi(Final Fantasy), Shinji Mikami(Resident Evil), Hideki Kamiya(Devil May Cry), and the like have already moved on to other projects.

    i really don’t want to see Kojima retiring as the MGS only guy.

    i’m also surprised he didn’t mention Suda51 being close to him seeing as they worked on a couple of projects like sdatcher, talked about gaming development and was supposed to have a game with him and 5pb president Chiyomaru Shikura. Heck they have similar, but different styles of presenting.

    “While his work for Metal Gear has always had anime and manga influences, but for MGSV, Shinkawa wants to make sure they aren’t there ‘on a conscious level’. “But then again, there will be some Japanese elements in there.” he added, since a large part of his team, and himself are Japanese. “Also, that’s not something I want to completely remove, because if there are no Japanese elements then what we create [loses its flavor].”

    this is what i’ve been telling for some time as well. while the series has a lot of western themes and influences, it’s still has the Japanese flavor that makes it unique and very well made.

    i just hope Kojima does go back to other genres. i really want a Zone of the Enders game that has all the in depth character analysis from MGS as well as having a darker tone like Xenosaga series did back then.

    • Nyxus

      He did talk about Suda in the whole interview.

      But I think that if he’s going to do something else than Metal Gear, I think he should do something completely new. Not Zone of the Enders or Snatcher, but something entirely new. Otherwise, he might as well make a new Metal Gear game. In fact, the Metal Gear series is a lot more open to trying out new things than something like Zone of the Enders. which is pretty specific already. I think it would be best to let someone else work on Zone of the Enders 3, if they decide to make it.

      • PrinceHeir

        where though? is the full interview up?

        always knew he’s close to Suda51 ^^

        while i would love Platinum Games doing Zone of the Enders 3 with Yoji Shinkawa and Kojima Productions doing the mech art and story, i do feel that it would lose some of its cinematic flair and character details of the characters.

        Kojima is an addict for character backstories. he seems to put enough or sometimes more than enough information of a character(which is good)

        i do feel that he’s gearing more towards cinematics and movie style approach. i wouldn’t be surprised if one day he would direct a CGI movie or a live action one with the big hollywood names attached to it.

        • Nyxus

          Hideo Kojima only produced the previous games, Murata is the one who wrote the story and directed it. If they make a ZoE3 I think Murata should make it, with Kojima producing it.

          • PrinceHeir

            makes sense.

            so the long trailers from the game, i’m guessing it came from him huh? XD

          • Nyxus

            Yeah that could very well be, Kojima also made trailers for Metal Gear Rising himself even though he only produced the game.

      • Golgari

        I agree with you completely but I think he could do a bit more research on Snatcher because he can pretty much ressurect it and make out of it anything he want’s really. It’s cyberpunk and can be stealthy with great characters and later you can explore other genre’s for this game. I think new ip or Snatcher reboot is the best thing if HK want’s to explore something outside of the Metal Gear saga. Everything else depends on Konami’s budget really.

    • BigBossWantsYou

      I really hate when people say he made Zone of the Enders. He only produced it, just like how Tim Burton only produced Nightmare Before Christmas. the games that Kojima wrote and directed are

      Metal Gear
      Snatcher
      Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
      Policenauts
      Metal Gear Solid
      Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
      Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
      Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
      Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
      Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes
      Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

  • BigBossWantsYou

    Has the magazine been released?

  • Ma2a

    Del Toro would pull a Pacific Rim on us…

  • Ma2a

    Pacific Rim was good? Yeah right…no. It was a huge shit. Seriously nobody would say that Pacific Rim is a good movie who has a little common sense then those who are foaming over Kojima and Shinkawa. Since Shinkawa made the poster for Pacific Rim, suddenly Pacific Rim is awesome while, it was a huge dissapointment. Those mecha fighters they show for the first time last for one minute. The japanese girl was a drag. The last monster wich supposed to be huge, was not even close. And I could go on. Del Toro is good but that movie was a huge dissapointment.

  • Ma2a

    And it is very strange that Kojima is now on “speaking” friendly/buddy terms with Del Toro since Kojima can’t speak english and Del Toro only knows the word sushi. Kojima is a movie fan and acts like a girl around directors.

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