David Hayter: Kiefer as Snake feels different from what we were doing before

In an interview with Nerd Reactor, David Hayter once again stated he will not be in Metal Gear Solid V in any way. Although this has been said multiple times, some still believe it’s all a big ruse by Kojima and Hayter. David Hayter also said he thinks it’s sad that fans still believe it, because it ‘reduces the pressure that should be put on Konami and Kojima to bring him back’.

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David Hayter in a live action sequence in Metal Gear Solid 4

Hayter also said that Kiefer doing the voice feels different from what they were doing before, but that he has nothing against the guy and that he respects him immensely.

To read the whole interview, which also discusses other topics such as Hayter’s new movie, head over to Nerd Reactor.

Source: Nerd Reactor, via TheSnakeSoup

  • Ricardo Oe

    I thought that there would be chances of Hayter back at the end of phantom pain.
    But it seems that’s it.
    Okay, Southerland are doing a good job too.
    Let’s see what the Studios L.A. it will present us …

    Said: Old Ramburger
    Clã Hamburger Hills

  • LukesAlike

    Ah man, Davy boy…

  • Timothy Weaver

    I don’t want him back for Big Boss. He did an awful job with voice acting for Solid Snake & Big Boss in MGS4 & PW. I loved David in the older games, but he just isn’t that good anymore. I know I’m going to catch hell for saying that, but I would rather him stay far away from Big Boss and maybe return as Solid Snake in a MG/MG2 remake, but then again, I don’t know if he can pull off a good younger Solid Snake, so that’s an iffy. This is all in my opinion, so please no one shoot me, haha.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Me = Different opinion
      Different opinion = not a bad thing (but an unfortunate thing, lol)
      You won’t get shot by me even if I disagree, lol.

      I have heard a younger Big Boss (I think it was in MGS3 secret theater or something) and the voice was just perfect, I have no idea who voiced the young Big Boss, but if they did a young Solid Snake the same way it would work really well.

  • jatin

    whoa.

  • jatin

    http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/File:Character_large.jpg
    Is that a diamond in the hand of big boss? A blood diamond?A memorial diamond?A raw diamond?
    I need help.
    They might use old recordings of Hayter for mgsv without asking him

    • jatin

      and 3d scan his photos when he was young

  • jatin

    It might also be Vacuous truth.

    • jatin

      *a Vacuous truth

      • jatin

        or a half truth(use old recordings of Hayter and 3d scan his photos when he was young)

  • either way since MGS4 snake has become a autist character… everyone speaks while he is just standing there… so at this point it doesnt matter if hayter or southerland is voicing him / but snake likes to talk a lot in audio files since it saves time in lipsync or something

    • No Place For Hayter

      MMMMmmmm Hmmmmm, *Cough* *Cough*…….*mumble* metal gear…….

      and introducing MGSV, with his most memorable line “……………….*STARE*………..*LOOK SAD*”

      Sure hope they drop audio tapes for MGSV-TPP, they were awesome for PW because of the way they were used and the mobile format of the game, to have them in the full fledged console MGSV is just cheap man.

      • Mark

        I thought having the tapes in GZ were awesome. Though, I really only listened to them via the GZ smartphone app. It was a great way of listening to the story when I was away from home.

        • No Place For Hayter

          Yeah but we got no canon story reactions from them, it is implied in the first one that Big Boss should listen to them, but we get no reaction or information about when or if Big Boss listened to them because they were obtained none canonically, do they fit into the timeline? if so when? and it is cheap because we are given important story characters and events via audio only which shows us nothing, and we never get a reaction from anybody, especially Big Boss who is the important one who is supposed to hear them, to have such important story information given poorly and awkwardly via audio tapes is pretty cheap to me, is it just meant for us players or is it important like it is implied it is supposed to be? if it is just for us it is very out of place and awkward for such a story heavy game like MGS to give important information to only the player when we are running around as the character who should also know, but doesn’t or maybe he does, to me the whole audio tape thing in GZ seemed like a cheap way to avoid character reactions and to hide any further story/cut-scenes and Kojima’s “darker” themed content, behind the veil of audio tapes. The audio tapes work to an extent but any story that is even remotely important should not be given via audio tape.

          • Mark

            Agreed. They should not put important information that is necessary to the plot in the tapes.

          • Janeo

            I love the audio tapes, I just see it as the player getting to learn what happened and not big boss it’s kind of like the fourth wall breaking metal gear games like to do, like the tapes were just made for the player by Chico besides the one big boss uses to find Paz. I like how some important parts are left to the tapes there is nothing super important left to the tapes but if you put in the effort to find them the story becomes more clear

    • ShogunKia

      This. Also it makes it harder to believe that Big Boss commands such large military units if he doesn’t even talk.

      • jatin

        what?THATS NOT TRUE.A commander does not talk as much as david hayter snake.In real life and movies.

        • ShogunKia

          Actually a commander is required to instruct and lead, basically calling the shots. Commanders aren’t chosen because they stare around and grunt. But it seems Kaz is doing the job anyway.

          • jatin

            since when david did that in pw.it was kaz who was doing the job in pw

          • No Place For Hayter

            While I mostly agree, Big Boss was a huge part of MSF, Kaz was the business side, and Big Boss was the work and personal side, so outside of business and story Big Boss interacts a lot, also his speech at the end of PW shows that he does lead and speak and make speeches, just not all the time.

          • jatin

            That is true.

      • BigBoss_88

        Big Boss don’t need to talk, he only needs to stare them with his eyes full of madness and his Soldiers will know what to do.

        • jatin

          true

    • Ma2a

      True.

  • Venom Snake

    You know why i don’t believe him?

    There is too much sound made by this, Hell, even Michael Ironside didn’t had a problem being replaced, and i don’t find this “Bring me back, i want to work on MGS” to fit David Hayter Persinality, this is not him, he would not complain this much for not being in MGS if he was not in MGSV, he would avoid anything MGSV Related!

    • jatin

      They might use old recordings of Hayter for mgsv.

      • jatin

        plz

    • jatin

      http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/File:Character_large.jpg

      Is that a diamond in the hand of big boss? A blood diamond?A memorial diamond?A raw diamond?
      I need help.

      • Venom Snake

        A Raw Diamond that you can find trough out the Game Maps, Diamonds that get transformed in to XP!

        • jatin

          I think big boss will be at the foxhound base and salutes gray fox and other recruits.He meets Roy Campbell who tells him that theres a recruit who is impressive at cqc.He is named david plissken.BB codenames him solid snake and sends him SA.
          SS:Kept you waiting huh(David Hayter)
          BB:Comment operation intrude N13

          • jatin

            * Commence operation intrude N13

          • Venom Snake

            Heh, possible!

        • jatin

          the new metal gear looks like indeed like a dog as you said.Its name might be MG Raptor or MG Ridgeback.

          • Venom Snake

            Yep, it looks like the Dog from the Diamond Dogs Logo!

          • jatin

            especially his eyes.

    • jatin
      • Venom Snake

        Yes!

        • jatin

          Actually the guest profile jgg(I talked about memorial diamonds in the e3 2014 trailer analysis.Its the post yu replied to) and my profile is the same.Im jgg.

          • Venom Snake

            O.K.

        • jatin

          Thanks.

          • Venom Snake

            You’re Welcome!

    • jatin

      Pretty good thought.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Well because he is the most iconic voice in video games, losing that role is a big shock, not only was it a truly iconic role but Hayter loved the role and the characters, and because it is so iconic everyone asks him about it, so where normally Hayter would keep his opinion to himself he legitimately wants it back because he loves it and he is always asked what he thinks about it so he is giving his opinion way more than he normally would because everyone keeps asking him.

      • jatin

        but when he says Kiefer as Snake feels different from what we were doing before it is weird.Because kojima replaced him for that reason.And when he says that theories reduce the pressure that should be put on konami its not david hayter at all.Whenever someone talks mgsv he is not normal.

    • Theo Heisenberg Constantine

      hayter had a huge role in mgs its obvious why theres a lot of buzz surrounding him he isnt snake anymore he isnt the iconic character he has always been for years. its hard for people to accept kiefer and they are in denial about the whole thing. hayter wont be in mgs5 accept it. hayter isnt snake anymore hayter isnt in mgs5. and kojima is treating this as his last mgs game and yes there could be more but right now kojima is thinking this will be his last and if its not his last i still doubt hayter will return to the series.

  • FoX1028

    Of COURSE is different from before, Snake is evil now smh

    • Venom Snake

      Exactly, Hayter is either not Smart enough(which i doubt) to understand that Snake should be different now, that changing the Voice was necessary, or he is “playing us like a Damn Fiddle” (which is more likely)
      http://giant.gfycat.com/OldfashionedQuaintBarasingha.gif

      • jatin

        They played him like a damn fiddle.

        • Venom Snake

          No, he is playing us “like a Damn Fiddle”

          • jatin

            Yup.

          • jatin

            Are you micheal paynev on twitter or something like that.

          • Venom Snake

            Yes, that’s me!

            And Michael, not Miceal

          • jatin

            sorry wrong typing.

          • Venom Snake

            No problem mate!

      • No Place For Hayter

        I think Hayter is among the crowd with the thinking “Just because he is evil and different now doesn’t mean his voice should change, that’s like having 12 voice actors for one character to each express a different emotion because one voice actor can’t display more than one emotion.” Well I at least think that is part of his reasoning.

  • Yaro

    I think David is putting too much into this. Move along man… What do you mean to ask fans to fight for you to get you’re role back. Come on. I dont support how Konami and Kojima handled hes replacement but we can get over that. The game feels far better In my opinion. I stopped liking Hayter’s performance since MG2 where he turn his good performance from the first game and made it a parody of itself. Don’t get me wrong he seems like a really great guy but dude…. just stop. If someone asks just say, I’ve said all I wanted to say on the subject. And fans… please stop bitching around. Leave the guy alone. You don’t owe celebrities.

    • jatin

      his voice in mgs 4 was good considering fox die and age accelerating.

      • Yaro

        … it was better than the rest. But bad. The best part was the War has changed intro.

        • jatin

          I hated his acting in peace walker.

          • Yaro

            Im paying that now… Its horrible… Even more after playing GZ

          • No Place For Hayter

            His voice acting or the game? Because you can’t blasphemy Peace Walker.

            On a more serious note, why would it be worse after playing Ground Zeroes? Big Boss is voiced by a different actor in GZ it’s not like you saw a better performance by Hayter and than realized that you thought his PW voice work was much lower quality, why would hearing another person voice the character make the original voice acting worse?

          • Janeo

            I hate how people say he was terrible in peace walker I have seen many people say it but never seen anyone explain why, do people just have something against peace walker. I love everyone of hayters mgs roles I think he put a lot of effort into every single one of his roles and did great. I remember reading something that said after big boss escaped prison in peace walker hayter actually had to spew up to produce the coughs after the torture scene so I don’t know how people can say he didn’t put any effort into his roles.

          • No Place For Hayter

            I personally loved his voice acting in that game, it showed a progression in Big Boss’s voice into a gruffer territory because of his age and the crap he has been through and all the smoking he does, that and I think he is an excellent voice actor to begin with.

            I think why people think his voice acting is bad in PW is because of how rough his voice is in that game, it seems to me that the more gruff he adds to the voice the more people hate it, dun know why, it is just what I have seen.

          • Alireza Sabahi

            replay the torture scene , that is an example of terrible voice acting, i personally loved his performance especially in 1 and 4 , but in peace walker it was just weird , although i have to agree with No Place For Hayter , since we haven’t seen a better performance from kiefer ,

          • jatin

            agree with you

          • Ma2a

            I can’t understand that either.

          • jatin

            Sorry

        • No Place For Hayter

          Voices, voices have changed.

      • decoyF0XX

        Mgs 1,2 and 4 were good, but Hayter as Big Boss has been terrible especially in Peace Walker.

        • No Place For Hayter

          Even in MGS3? I really enjoyed his voice acting myself. Have you heard him in portable ops? I don’t remember what he sounds like in that one but maybe it is more of what you are looking for. Also why did Hayter suck as Big Boss? do you think his voice acting was bad? I mean he was the original guy to voice Big Boss so he set the template, along with Kojima with his choice to have the same voice as Solid Snake, so Hayter couldn’t be bad because it didn’t fit. Lol, it is funny that there is such a huge variance of opinion when it comes to voice actors, when it comes to voice work I have learned that people have a huge difference of opinion, especially when it comes to Hayters voice work.

          • decoyF0XX

            His voice in mgs3 was “okay”. I don’t quite imagine that kind of voice coming from a face like that but it was cool however, in Peace Walker it was really terrible and weird. I really like his voice acting as Solid Snake anyway. And I haven’t played Portable Ops but I’ll check it out on youtube.

          • No Place For Hayter

            You know what, I could see having a disconnect with the face and voice in MGS3 after only hearing that voice from Solid Snakes face and character, lol.

          • decoyF0XX

            Funny enough MGS3 was the first one I played, in a friends place back in ’07 (I was always a PC gamer) and I just found the voice weird although I really liked the absurdity of the game in a whole and that’s what I love about MGS lol but after playing MGS1 I started to apreciate the voice.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Some of us loved his performance in all games, Like me 🙂

      • Yaro

        I’m sorry I made an error, lost in translation. I didnt meant “owe” I meant you dont own celebrities. Granted Hayter is not a celebrity but it was the closest word I could find.

        My point is this. This is a video game dude. People take it too seriously. When Hayter gets on the cabin booth he only spits out lines without any big preparation, he has said this himself. Its not his fault. Theres a lot of lines to say and studios cost money. They dont give the script in advance so they can study their characters. You guys are taking this more seriously than the people developing the game.

        In Phantom Pain. I see a change. I can see that there are rehearsals and they care more about performance. People cant just be fan boys and accept everything because its cannon and its cool. You have to make judgments with a good basis. The performance is way too over acted, always have been it wouldn’t work in this game. I don’t think Hayter can work it out. I don’t think he is that good. He is an excellent screen writer but not an actor. So its not because time passed that made acting bad. In fact it was the fact that Snake because such an Icon that Hayter was at a point impersonating his own impersonation of Snake. It became a parody of himself. Why do I believe that GZ made it worse? Because it offered contrast. Its like Playing the new Tomb Rider and right after that you play the original. You feel the contrast. Obviously this is because technology and games have gotten more complex. But acting in the other hand has a larger time span.

        Sure you can express my opinion, so can I. I just say, chill out people. Its just a voice. Hayter has a successful career. No need for all the constant extreme patronizing. I get it when we found out about it but Jesus it has been over a year! I truly ind it a little pathetic from Hayter to ask fans to fight for his role. Jesus, he even said that that itself would be pathetic if he got to that point. And now he has done it.

        Its not the end of the world. The game will be better. I never liked the Snake voice but that’s my opinion. For me Metal Gear is much more than the raspy cartoony voice.

        • No Place For Hayter

          Oh ok.

          “People cant just be fan boys and accept everything because its cannon and its cool. You have to make judgments with a good basis” Unfortunatly most people do accept everything because they don’t think for themselves, and unfortunately a “good basis” is just personal opinion, I mean I would never replace Hayter as the voice because of a 1000 reasons, one of which is that he has proven himself able to portray all sorts of emotions and tensions in an excellent fashion, but you would swap him in MGSV because he think his voice acting is bad were as I think it is excellent.

          You need to see past the simple complaints about Hayter being replaced as the people being retards simply complaining because to them Hayter is MGS, they love MGS and to see an important character’s voice entirely replaced, which will ruin any immersion they will have (not to mention the way it was done). People don’t complain about the loss of Hayter because they are haters and they the only thing they need is his voice in MGS, they are angry and complaining because the thing they love “MGS” is destroying its main character.

          Also what is with the syndrome of events losing there importance over time? “I get it when we found out about it but Jesus it has been over a year!” Just because it has been a year doesn’t mean it is any better or that is any more OK than it was before, we have anniversaries to remind us and to celebrate important events more than 100 years after they have happened, just because a year has passed doesn’t mean we are supposed to shut up and deal with it like a bunch of good people, we care about MGS as a whole and sure as hell will express it when we dislike something and at the same time will welcome great and healthy change, people disagree all the time, that’s why people agree to disagree someone else opinion should not bother you and you should not tell them to get over it and try to put your ideals and opinion as a template of who they should be, 10 years from now my user name will still be “No Place For Hayter”, Like I said it is not a matter of time or a matter of getting over it, it is a matter of opinion, and I’m fine with your opinion but you shouldn’t be so critical of other peoples opinions.

          Yeah things like MGS are first world problems, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter, and that people shouldn’t care at all about it, millions of people buy it and make companies billions of dollars, and people will be giving their money to these people to experience the game they have made, it is first world problems butwe shouldn’t pretend like it doesn’t matter while we are already heavily talking about the subject.

          ” I truly ind it a little pathetic from Hayter to ask fans to fight for
          his role. Jesus, he even said that that itself would be pathetic if he
          got to that point. And now he has done it.”
          Well “A” he can’t do anything about it so he just doesn’t want people thinking he is in the game, because if they want him in it they should fight for it instead of just waiting for to suddenly appear and say “GOT YOU!” And Hayter said dubbing the game via fan mods etc would be pathetic as it would not being able to let go after it is not his role anymore and would be pathetic because he wouldn’t even be doing it officially, he wasn’t calling wanting the job back pathetic, what Hayter is doing here is simply telling people that if they want him back fight for it don’t wait for it, Hayter never said having fans fight for his role would be pathetic, I respect him and he respects the fans he is in no way being pathetic, I think you are reading way to much into Hayters words with a negative spin on it.

          • Yaro

            Its fine. I accept your opinion. I stand for what I said. I really don’t understand what is all the fuss about really. Apart from Kojima being so shitty to him and not telling him. I really don’t see what makes his performance as complex as you point it to be. If he was so good, he would be making tons of voice acting for numerous characters. I just don’t get it. The guy who plays Kaz does a hell of a better job in the acting of the voice. it just doesnt make any sense to me how people go all crazy about him. If I were to really admire him for something is because of the X-men 2 script and for being such a. cool and humble guy.

          • BigBoss_88

            Well people are different and have all kinds of opinions of this whole subject. But it’s like, imagine a favorite music band of yours suddenly changing one of their key members, wouldn’t you feel anything about that? For some of us MGS holds a very special place in heart, so it’s kind of the same. Saying it’s only a video game is true, but still isn’t right as for many of us it is more than that. Because it’s all about being a fan of something and if that something changes, it will effect you. I’m not making such a great fuss about it, because I just happen to like Kiefer Sutherland, but if some other guy would be voicing Snake I might be mad.

  • Yaro

    All over the net people say that it has been confirmed that PP is out on Nov 28! Is this true???

    • No Place For Hayter

      HOPE

      • jatin

        NOPE

    • Invader_skoodge

      I’ve been trying really hard to dismiss it as a sick, twisted joke, because there’s no concrete info about it. Some say Konami twitted it, other say Kojima said it at comic con. I don’t know what to believe anymore.

      • Yaro

        HAHAHA Sick twisted joke. I like that.

  • No Place For Hayter

    Uh oh, an article that includes David Hayter, different opinions abound, lol.

    At least this isn’t the rest of the internet where we would end up with a bunch of retards getting angry and arguing with each other over their personal subjective opinion as some sort of fact that have to make everyone believe.

    • BigBoss_88

      I totally agree with you ;), posting comments in here is usually a lot more peaceful.

      • glitchbomb

        That’s because 90% of us have enough of a brain to be rational. That, and we all share an intense love for the series.

        • BigBoss_88

          Indeed, it’s nice to have good brains :).

          • No Place For Hayter

            I’m only able to keep mine up because I eat other peoples brains.

            Now where did I leave my lunch?

  • No Place For Hayter

    “David Hayter: Yeah, I have always played heroes, and I’ve saved the
    world more times than I can remember, but this was the first time that I
    ever played a bad guy, although technically Toby is not a villain in
    the piece. He’s technically one of the heroes, but he’s a really bad
    dude, and I’ve never played anything like that before. It was really,
    really fun to be able to just let loose in that arena.”

    I wonder how much he would have enjoyed voicing Big Boss in MGSV

    “Nerd Reactor: Previously, you’ve played characters like
    Guyver and Solid Snake, so if you had to choose between playing the hero
    and playing the villain for your next project, what would it be?

    David Hayter: I’d probably play– I think a villain is a lot more fun
    to play, and has a lot fewer constraints morally, but the hero gets more
    lines, usually. So it’s a kind of balancing act.”

    Lol no kidding, Big Boss lost his voice (lol) when he went evil, barely says anything, I guess Hayter knows, I didn’t.

    Overall interesting interview.

  • ShogunKia

    I loved the old David Hayter performances, I really did. But his performance has been lacking since MGS4 (some say MGS3 but I liked it, at least he had personality) so if he was still on board I honestly wouldn’t have expected much of a performance either especially since acting is the major emphasis on this game.

  • Shalashaska

    These journalists need to stop bugging him about MGSV. I’m sure he’s tired of saying the same thing over and over.

    There are many reasons I like Metal Gear Solid, as a franchise – the voice acting, in general, isn’t on the list. In my opinion, the voice acting has always been the lowest point of the games… with the exception of Metal Gear Solid 1, considering the times.
    (Please, note that I’m not trying to diss any of the actors. I love a majority of them.)

    • jatin

      Also true.You deserve a part of zanzibarland.

  • BigBoss_88

    Wow so many comments in just one day 😀 and nice interview!
    Anyway, I kind of hate how David still needs to say to people he’s not in the game, I mean let the man relax for a little bit. But that being said, I still believe David will be in the game lol xD, I mean this whole conspiracy is just being wonderfully played by Kojima and David. He will do some few lines in the end of the game, at least in the usual post-credits conversation or so I want to believe :P.

    The only game David in my opinion maybe overdid the voice was in Peace Walker, and when going back to it after a long time since playing GZ, he’s voicing just felt so weird in it. But I still love the guy :D, there was this topic I also read recently which made me wonder about stuff:

    http://egmr.net/2014/07/mgs5-phantom-pain-can-benefit-david-hayter-absence/
    “David Hayter has a quirk about him. He’s great, he’s likable, and I
    understand why fans want him back for the new game. But when thinking of
    the darker and more tragic game that Kojima wants to create with The
    Phantom Pain, I ask fans to really think whether David Hayter would be
    ideal for that. One must consider what happened to Naked Snake, or Big
    Boss, at the end of Snake Eater. Some theme spoilers are ahead, but he
    became utterly distraught and lost faith in his country and ideals as a
    soldier. He was crushed. The patriotism was beaten out of him. This
    carried over to Peace Walker where his actions are clearly that of a
    changed man. Now we’re going to be embracing a new path for MGS, and a
    darker depiction of the hero. And each time I think of David Hayter in
    this role, I just know that I’ll always find him likable, with that
    charm, dry humour, quirk and compassion. But perhaps in The Phantom
    Pain, it would be odd to have that attachment to a character on a darker
    path.”

    Would I really enjoy hearing David’s voice as the guy going down the dark path of TPP either, I dunno o_O. But in this sense, I think it’s maybe a good idea to change the voice. And I’m a fan of Kiefer too so I’m still all hyped up for his performance in TPP scenes. Also if someone still wonder why David isn’t in the game, one of the reasons imo is this:
    KP is using a whole new acting and voice acting platform to capture TPP, and David’s strained voice acting doesn’t sound like he could do the motion capture and voice acting at the same time. Okey well, I haven’t seen David perform much in the studios but I can imagine with the voice he is doing, he need to do some facial motions which would be problematic during the captures for MGSV.

    • Solid Snakes Revenge

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c3WzpA1y3CM This link is to an interview of mgs voice actors. It’s not in the studio but I’m sure it gives a little insight to what he’s like while hes doing the voice.

      • Invader_skoodge

        Ha, when he mentions MGS5……I feel a little awkward. But Peace Walker was going to be MGS5 before they changed it to a non-numbered game, so he got his game.

        • BigBoss_88

          Sure it was weird that PW was first called 5 :P, so yeah…I guess David did get his MGSV kind of.

      • BigBoss_88

        Lol that was pretty good ;D, don’t remember seeing that before. Thanks :)!

  • Solid Snakes Revenge

    In a sense they are doing something different in this one compared to the rest. I believe this game is about big boss slipping to the dark side. The others are mainly solid snake (or young big boss) playing the hero. It should be interesting to see things from the bad guys perspective. I do hope David Hayter comes back to play solid again later down the line but I won’t get too butthurt if he doesn’t. Kiefer is doing a good job in my opinion.

  • No Place For Hayter

    The only thing I remember Hayter saying was the snarky old coke comment, nothing he said was immature and nothing was a personal attack against Kiefer, David Hayter can still dislike the choice of replacing him while still respecting Keifer, nothing he has said (not much if I recall correctly) has been against Kiefer.

  • No Place For Hayter

    Uh Oh.

    “Damn finally someone with a sense that’s not bias Hayter Fanboy.”
    Ok, so to have any sense, someone has to share the same opinion as you? and anyone that legitimately likes Hayters voice work and wants him back is a “bias Hayter Fanboy”? People have different opinions PrinceHeir, you can’t just see the world as “people who agree with me are smart, and everyone i don’t agree with are stupid and think what they think because of some bias and hate”, “Sense” has nothing to do with personal opinion, but has simply to do with common knowledge and experience, so saying your opinion is sense and everyone that does not agree is biased is very narrow minded, and not very knowledgeable that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. “bias Hayter Fanboy” “bias”? bias? are you saying that what you think is fact and that anybody who thinks otherwise only thinks so because they have a bias? I legitimately loved Hayters voice work and legitimately want him back because I dislike Keifers voice work, what part of this is biased in any way? it is my opinion not a bias (With something like voice acting, it is incredibly hard to get anything “factual” because everyone has a different opinion of peoples voices, so there is no “bad” or “good” voices just voices you like or don’t like), again this shows a massive disregard for other peoples opinions and that you are right and they are wrong when this whole thing is only just personal opinions, everyone here is a human being with an opinion you are not the only one here that has an opinion, not some bottom feeders that spew garbage with a bias, you should treat other people and their opinions with more respect instead of simply brushing people off as having no sense and being biased just because they don’t share the same personal opinion as you. People have different opinions, it is a personal thing, not a factual thing.

    “I share your sentiment completely. Lots of things Hayter said that
    didn’t make any sense, especially how he handle the situation last year.”
    The only thing I recall Hayter saying was that snarky old coke comment, I was keeping a close eye on what Hayter was saying at that time, and I don’t remember anything bad Hayter said, he was humble and respectful if a little annoyed and snarky, but in no way unprofessional and rude, either I totally forgot some big things, or you were looking through some seriously tinted glasses when reading what he said back then.

    “Guess this is what happens when the only connection you have with the
    fans get’s taken away. I won’t be surprise if he’ll be forgotten in
    future installments and only brought whenever the want their Hayter
    voice back when a new Snake get’s to be revealed.”
    Only connection to the fans? he goes to conventions he is acting and directing movies, I don’t think his most iconic role (one voice role) is his only connection to fans, that makes no sense, he does a lot and a lot of people like him for various reasons its not like he lives in a cave and only comes out to voice Snake. Forgotten? you really dislike Hayter don’t you? Hayter won’t be forgotten, he had made the most iconic voice in gaming (whether you like his voice acting or not, it is pretty apparent that everyone knows Snake and his voice) just because he got replaced doesn’t mean everyone on the face of the earth is suddenly gonna forget the last 5 excellent games and the voice actors in them. Even you won’t forget Hayter, at most he will be lost if suddenly all the old fans disappeared and only new ones showed up that decided to never play the old games, you should have put more thought into the comment instead of simply saying he will be forgotten when he clearly won’t be. Also the only thing they would bring him back for is to voice Solid Snake, no reason to bring him back for any new snakes, I think we have seen enough new Snakes, Also I see no reason as to why Kojima Productions would bring back Hayter because they feel like they need to because some fans want him back when the simply brushed us off when wanting him back with MGSV, I don’t see them changing their mind set that much.

    I found your comment rather insulting and rude to anyone with a different opinion than you. you could have agreed with Yaro with having to be rude to and insult people with different opinions, I like to praise the community here, but comments like these go against the respect and understanding we have for each other as human beings and I would ask for you to be a little more respectful and open minded in the future as I do not appreciate being treated like garbage simply because I do not share your opinion.

    • Janeo

      Hayter certainly won’t be forgotten especially for me since I replay metal gear games at least once a year. I was upset for a long time after we found out he wasn’t in it but I’m just glad we got someone very talented to fill his role. I don’t like Keifers 24 show but I knew he was a great actor so it wasn’t as hard for me to just accept it and move on especially since I loved his performance in GZ but I can understand that it would be pretty annoying if you don’t enjoy his performance. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean I think you have no sense we seem to disagree a lot but I still think you seem like a cool guy so I will always respect your opinion hopefully others can do the same.

    • Ma2a

      PrincessHeir is the weaboo of this site. Do not take him seriously. Nobody does.

      • jatin

        shut up.

        • Ma2a

          I don’t follow you.

          • jatin

            I was talking to prince heir the bloody beard.Sorry if you had a misunderstanding.

      • jatin

        and tell prince heir and no place for hayter to shut up.they are are completely weaboos.

        • BigBoss_88

          I actually enjoy reading No Place’s comments ;), he’s writing good and polite comments, but as we all got our own opinions so lets leave it at that. Not sure why you want him to shut up.

          • jatin

            I thought he had changed.he was cool in his previous comments.And price heir deserved a punishment.But look at his previous comments then reply me.Sorry for calling him a weaboo.But I didn’t like his other comments such as his reply to venom snake.

          • BigBoss_88

            No need to apologize to me and I’m not really sure what weaboo is sorry :(, I’m good in english but there are some words I don’t know lol ;D. But as I said in my previous comment though, we all have our opinions so I shouldn’t have maybe asked you when saying that.
            I usually try to make nice and polite comments, but sometimes if I make somehow angry comments lol it is because I might have a bad day or if I am tired :D. What I’m saying is, everyone sometimes maybe comments in a way someone else don’t like, but you can’t judge a person from few comments. Lol not sure am I making any sense, need to go to sleep maybe x_X. Lets all just try to get along jatin, you don’t need to make such angry comments either, I mean telling others to shut up. They are just bringing up their own opinions.

          • No Place For Hayter

            Lol, Weaboo was a foreign word to me until today and I only know English.

            Don’t worry your comment makes complete sense, but sleep is ever so nice, Zzzzzzzzz.

          • BigBoss_88

            Lol yeah, I’ll maybe go soon it’s 1 a.m already here in Finland :3.
            Going really off-topic here rofl, but I guess it don’t matter ;D… :P.

          • jatin

            Youre not a weabboo.

          • No Place For Hayter

            No, but it sure sounds funny.

            Whoa replies abound, I highly appreciate your effort on communicating about everything without leaving awkward threads hanging.

          • jatin

            youre not obsessed with japan.Yeah youre the oppsite.sorry.

          • No Place For Hayter

            I did not take much offense from it due to “Weaboo” sounding so funny.

            P.S. Your comment is so Kawaii, it is like sugoi……………………..Sorry, lol.

          • jatin

            Ask ma2a.I searched waeboo on google.

          • jatin

            You are finnish?

          • BigBoss_88

            Yes I am, the country of real Santa Claus and drunken people, wait I’m falling off-topic again lol.

          • jatin

            Im a mauritian.The country touched by a false mark twain quote saying it is heaven ,of beautiful beaches and a drunk prime minister.

          • No Place For Hayter

            May I ask which reply to Venom Snake? I have made a lot recently. Sorry if I ever came across like an asshole, I always try to be respectful to others and their opinion, that is unless they don’t do the same, I can be rude sometimes but it is only sometimes and is in no way meant to personally hurt anyone, I think my large reply to Prince Heir is as rude as I will get, and when I get annoyed I try to write more professionally so I get more of my point across and less of the fact that I am annoyed.

          • jatin

            Well because he is the most iconic voice in video games, losing that role is a big shock, not only was it a truly iconic role but Hayter loved the role and the characters, and because it is so iconic everyone asks him about it, so where normally Hayter would keep his opinion to himself he legitimately wants it back because he loves it and he is always asked what he thinks about it so he is giving his opinion way more than he normally would because everyone keeps asking him.

          • jatin

            that reply.

          • No Place For Hayter

            Oh that one.
            I was only stating one possible reason as to why we are seeing Hayter talk more about the subject than some would expect, if you disagree to any points I made that’s totally cool, what did you not like about the comment? do you disagree or do you think I came across rude? I was just adding reasons as to why we are hearing what we are hearing from Hayter.

          • jatin

            Don’t care about priceheir he is an asshole

          • jatin

            Prince heir is not an mgs fan.more like a gif fan.You must not care about him.

          • jatin

            Im asking for forgiveness

          • No Place For Hayter

            I declare you forgiven, I also declare you a pretty chill guy, hope I can remain chill forever, lol.

          • BigBoss_88

            Yes lets all chill and be good pals ;D and
            @jatin don’t worry of course you will be forgiven! <(^o^<)

        • No Place For Hayter

          I had no idea what a “Waeboo” was so I had to look it up, lol. And from what I read aren’t I the opposite of a weaboo?

          • jatin

            most of the time ? Youre normally cool

      • No Place For Hayter

        “Weaboo” the first word I had to look up in a long time.

    • jatin

      I agree to a point.But you are being a bloody fanboy.

      • No Place For Hayter

        If sharing my opinion of something while being a fan of said thing, then sure, I’m a fanboy, but please don’t attach any negative connotations to the word fanboy, such as being blindly defensive about it, because just because I like Hayters voice work doesn’t mean anybody else has to.

        Also if you really want to lol, you could just call me a “Fan” instead of a “Fanboy” it is hard to not think of it negatively when “Boy” is included in the word, lol.

        • jatin

          Ok sorry.I still miss hayter too but when I think of snake I say hayter is snake while kiefer is BB.

  • No Place For Hayter

    “If he thinks this only happens to him then he’s dead wrong.”
    He never implied this.

    The only people that demanded an explanation were the fans, not Hayter.
    Also he is a different person than the other voice actors you mentioned, he will be the same as other people, also he is being asked about it a LOT, so he is giving his opinion more than he normally would. Just because some voice actors can actually have reasons to get replaced and or don’t want to fight for it doesn’t mean that Hayter has to. Also it depends on the kind of person you are, for example where one person would see Hayter caring enough about his role to not simply let being replaced go by without saying anything, another person would see Hayter acting like a child because he lost his role, it all depends on how you look at it, none of us are Hayter himself so none of us know what his real thoughts and intentions are, so lets not praise or accuse Hayter of what we have only thought up.

    Well peoples opinion on voice acting and game quality vary greatly so you can’t condemn people for loving what others hate.

  • BigBoss_88

    I don’t remember him posting something like that, but it has been a long time so might have forgotten o_O… I remember him praising Kiefer though and saying he respects him etc.

  • XIFF-5

    Out of topic, I just realized that in those two photos of SNAKE have many differences.
    First ,the position of the horn.
    Second, on the right SNAKE smokes a real cigar instead of an electronic cigar.
    Third,On the right there are no scars , but on the left there are scars.
    :/ Something weird is happening here…

    • jatin

      in the e3 2014 trailer snake corners eli.21 years after
      Gray fox to liquid:cornering a fox is the worst thing a man can do.
      OMG

      • BigBoss_88

        I just actually read someone post a comment about that in youtube, that Eli don’t corner Big Boss but he corners Gray Fox. I don’t know though, not believing it yet. But who knows really what The Phantom Pain will show us, just remember MGS2 and the shock back then for playing as pretty boy Raiden for most of the game.

        • jatin

          But GF is a fan favourite.But it must be BB for gods sake.

          • BigBoss_88

            Indeed but lets be ready for anything ;), because Kojima must have some surprises for us.

        • The guy who drowned quiet

          Luke Spiller:CCCHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILD.
          BB or GF:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
          Miller:Were not burying them in the sea so what then?
          BB:We are making diamonds from their ashes taking them with us in the battle.It will be a code of honor them and a motivation for killing those bastards
          Miller:A shining light to our brother in arms even in death.
          BB:We are diamond dogs.
          Metal Gear Rhodesian Ridgeback/Raptor:Hellooooooooooooooooo!(speaks in weird accent)

    • BigBoss_88

      Yes I notice these differences too months ago, but not sure what to think of it anymore :0. First thing I thought back then, was that the GDC trailer or some parts of it was made a lot earlier, so maybe it might explain some lack of the details we see from GDC to E32013 trailer. Then they added them later like the scars etc…but I don’t know. Or then Big Boss meets some uber healer-kind of dude in the game, who heal his scars lol. Or then Big Boss got a body double. OR…dammit. Kojima is again messing up my mind with this stuff ARGHHH, what is going on here. I can’t…I CAN’T TAKE THIS ANYMORE! TOO MUCH! O_o

      https://31.media.tumblr.com/c679afcedb4f655c86080390fbcf8ce6/tumblr_msrji5FWwd1qcgy32o1_500.gif

    • jatin

      Look at the facial expression of BB in GDC.E3 2013 snake looks like kiefer(and erik brown) and the 7 actors and gdc snake looks like someone else.

    • No Place For Hayter

      I would personally go with the explanation that they have been changing his appearance, with the development of the game. But hey let ideas abound.

      • BigBoss_88

        That is the most reasonable explanation in my opinion and Snake like to smoke real cigars too. Other theories flying around every day, but why would the game be about Big Boss’ downfall if we don’t play as BB ;D. Most crazy theory I heard long time ago in some other MGS related site, was that BB end up in the coma after GZ and stays in it all the way until MGS4 >:O…

    • Janeo

      That was from early 2013 lots of things can change during development remember how old snake looked different in the game then he did in the trailers. Plus big boss does still smoke real cigars just not on missions so he can’t be tracked. Nothing weird going on just video game development

  • jatin

    “Guess this is what happens when the only connection you have with the fans get’s taken away. I won’t be surprise if he’ll be forgotten in future installments and only brought whenever the want their Hayter voice back when a new Snake get’s to be revealed.”
    shut up

    • jatin

      http://i.imgur.com/MLORFrE.gif
      gifs sound so shit with yu.OH prince heir.

      • BigBoss_88

        Darth Vader knows da moves oh yeah lol.

        • The guy who drowned quiet

          it was a reply to prince heir.

          • BigBoss_88

            I know, but that gif is so cool I had to comment. 😛

  • César H. Sandoval

    Yeah, I can see how it is different because before Snake would freaking SPEAK and now you can barely have Keifer spit a word or two before remaining MUTE for the whole scene while Kaz explains everything to him.

    But is all good, because we have this amazing MoCap tech now! and we can actually see what Snake’s felling on his face! Of course, 90% of the time we are looking at him from the back over the shoulder and 5% of the time we are looking at all the other characters instead because of the shaky “all inone take” cam that MGSV uses, but believe it, the 5% of his face we got, will be great!!

    • BigBoss_88

      Lol relax mate :). Sarcasm aside, in my opinion in the older MGS games there was maybe too much codec conversations or cutscenes, even though I liked them and liked to hear David and others speaking, it happened too much sometimes. It sometimes broke the flow of the game for me, so that way I understand why Kojima changed codec and did cutscenes seamless, which is nice. Still, the long codec conversations were nice most of the time, but this time Kojima wants to tell Snake’s feelings through his face, which is a big change.

      Unfortunately we didn’t get to see much of his face in GZ for this technology to shine :D, instead as you said the backside of Snake. But I’m sure in TPP we get to see more of this in cutscenes etc. For example in E3 2013 trailer, I can see the emotions going on in Snake’s face even when he don’t talk, in the beginning and when he shoot those kids. Also another great example of this face capture tech is GDC trailer, my favorite chopper scene :). After seeing that, I can say that no need for words all the time, the look on Snake’s face is just beautiful in the scene below. But when sneaking around etc and calling for Kaz/Ocelot, it would be nice to hear Snake respond.

      • jatin

        The codec cutscenes were amazing in mgs 1 2 3 and PW(I yawned a bit at GZ ) .But there was not much codec in 4 compared to cutscenes.

        • BigBoss_88

          Yes they were :), even though I said maybe sometimes a little too much codec lol :P. I can still remember in MGS1 Otacon calling Snake when you go into that elevator. Otacon: “now those 4 stealth suits are missing, LOOK OUT SNAKE they’re in the elevator with you!” lol 😀 Maaan…I was like holy crap I’m dead, that was awesome part <3.
          If I had to choose between a more talking Snake and face emotions Snake, I'd choose the talking one of course.

          • jatin

            What about a hybrid balanced one.Huh.Dont worry if you watched the e3 2014 and 2013 trailer kiefer will be talkative but not the chillaxed sounding guy called hayter.
            But a lot of interviewers are annoying him about mgsv.
            Its 9:00 a.m here.

          • The guy who drowned quiet

            In the e3 2014 trailer there was something looking like diamonds on elis table.

      • Ravenous

        I just hope we’ll actually get real cutscenes in TPP, I get how it might break the flow of the game with alot of cutscenes and codec-calls, but it was a great way of telling the story because nobody was forcing anyone to watch or listen to it all. And the whole ‘one take’ concept might be technically impressive, I fear that Kojima is giving in to all the whining about cutscenes in MGS4, and going completely overboard at the same time, resulting in a third person shooter with almost no story in the game itself due to a mute main character and as little time as possible where the player is not in control of the character, story told in casette tapes spread around the game-world and no real cutscenes other than those necessary to explain why the player starts out in the location we get control of BB again after the previous mission/objective…I really hope Kojima finds a good middleground between GZ, PW and MGS1-through-4 so we get an epic story that includes visuals again rather than just facial expressions and audiotapes that make no sense finding in the gameworld (because most, if not all will have to be recorded at Motherbase).

        • BigBoss_88

          The real cutscenes have always been awesome. Even though I said there was maybe little too much sometimes, but I never really complain much about them :). MGS4 had lengthy cutscenes, but they were cool and fun to watch but it’s too bad so many whined about them openly to Kojima. Pretty many games have large amount of cutscenes anyway. I also agree what you and No Place said about the cassette tapes :). But in the end I welcome new changes to MGS if done well, as each game of the series has always been kinda different. I’m sure that however TPP ends up being like, it will be epic to play over and over again. All this hopeing and guessing is just getting on my nerves lol when can’t play it yet, Kojima you need to release the game like really soon or I start breaking some walls over here! >:0

        • The guy who drowned quiet

          mute character?MGSV is no call of duty ghosts.

    • THIS. this so much.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Lol, Agreed.

      Also, btw I’m going to point out you accidentally typed “Fell’ instead of “Feel” on a MGS news site.
      “I Feel Asleep!”

      • César H. Sandoval

        Haha, that was a funny slip on my part, indeed.

  • 合金装备

    Kiefer’s voice is good.But I really want Hayter back.

  • Ravenous

    Yeah, I agree with Hayter, Big Boss does feel quite different as a character the way Sutherland is portraying him : He’s about as responsive in conversations as an overly ripe cucumber because of the damn mocapping…I personally think Kojima is really overdoing the whole facial expressions instead of BB simply responding with words like a normal human being, and I sincerily hope they tone that down quite a bit in TPP for the sake of an awsome story told in it’s full potential rather than 200.000 tapes we’ll have to listen to in addition to playing the game just to find out how the main character feels about whats going on around him. I know I can only speak for myself about any of this, but I believe that the many fans from way back who miss Hayter, simply miss the narrative of the story just as much as the voice itself, and the distinctiveness of the voice. Seriously, just play the intro for the main op in GZ and listen to the part where BB asks Miller what the plan is for Paz, it almost sounds as if Miller is talking to himself because their voices are so similar in tone and pitch in that sequence…IMHO
    Any thoughts?

    • No Place For Hayter

      Wow, I have nothing to say you have said it all for me, lol.

      Agree on every point, the voice, the unresponsiveness from Big Boss, the audio tapes etc.

      Audio tapes are a really bad idea if they hold any important story for various reasons (I don’t feel like writing out an essay at the moment, lol) they make good additions but should in no way be used as a veil/shield for strong content and or essential or important story information.

      I have made this point before but I will say it again because it is relevant. Kojima is seeing the whole mo-cap thing with the face all wrong, it is an technological addition to the tools of making a video game not a replacement, everyone in the real world uses both words and expressions, and before we only had the voice in video games and now we can have both, but instead of both Kojima thinks he can replace the voice with facial expressions, which is broken in my opinion because people should have both vocal and facial expression qualities, I for example could not run around saying 95% less than I used to because I discovered that my face could make expressions.

      Also from what I have seen from TPP Big Boss is unresponsive to the point of annoying and legitimately rude to everyone talking to him, the best example of this is the gameplay intro where Ocelot is talking to him, not a single word from Big Boss when obviously people would respond, even if you are feeling all dark and emotional.

      • BigBoss_88

        I agree about the Ocelot thing lol, it was weird to watch just one-sided chatting ;D. This is only one awesome cutscene though. But maybe Big Boss ain’t in no mood to talk, after all the crap that’s happened….
        And maybe Big Boss is silent because of their past and thinking during the cutscene “Damn thanks to this bastard I still only got one eye, I’ll play a cool and silent dude for now, but gonna kick Ocelot’s ass later. Yeah…that’s sound like a nice plan.” I don’t know the exact reason why Kojima did this less talk- more face decision, but no matter I will enjoy the game :). Just finished playing The Last of US again on PS4 and it got such great voice acting AND facial expressions, Kojima is trying something different so all of us who are worried can just hope that it works in the end.

        • No Place For Hayter

          It was an awesome cutscene wasn’t it? better see awesome use of music like that all the way through the game.

          Though for 60fps the shaky cam is to much.

    • Janeo

      Big boss talks about as much as usual in GZ he probably had the third or second most lines in the game. We have seen one scene from the TPP and it was very short so just because he didn’t talk doesn’t mean he will be like that the whole game, there are many reasons why he may not talk in that scene ocelot was just explaining his mission that’s all big boss needs plus maybe he just isn’t comfortable with ocelot at this point in the game remember ocelot is the reason big boss only has one eye, maybe once he gets kaz back he will get bit more talkative. I don’t get how people can think kaz and big boss sound the same in any scene they sound completely different to me. Anyway I know kojima likes to say snake won’t talk as much as usual and that seems to be true but I don’t think he will be as silent as people are saying I have faith he will hear big boss talk a lot.

      • No Place For Hayter

        I wish I had the faith you had, instead I have HOPE, the good part is with or without faith I will still get the same product, so there is still a large chance that we will get a talking Big Boss as we not been shown much at all.

    • BigBoss_88

      @ravenous
      At the beginning cinematic in GZ, first time watching it I was thinking the same like is this Kaz or Snake talking, even after seeing 24. But after playing GZ a bit longer I got used to it and Kiefer’s voice is different. I was still hoping they would have included subtitles with names on them. It just take a bit time to get used to in my opinion after having the same voice for many games ;D. I put my trust in Kojima and hope we get to hear Kiefer a lot more, especially in the important cutscenes in TPP. GZ and the demos are only a small portion, so I wouldn’t criticize myself too much yet, but he is maybe overdoing it. One thing I would like them to add though, is you know when calling Kaz or Ocelot while sneaking around in the game, Snake don’t respond. I just hope they would add that feature in TPP.
      @noplaceforhayter
      I agree about the Ocelot thing lol, it was weird to watch just one-sided chatting ;D. This is only one awesome cutscene though. But maybe Big Boss ain’t in no mood to talk, after all the crap that’s happened….
      And maybe Big Boss is silent because of their past and thinking during the cutscene “Damn thanks to this bastard I still only got one eye, I’ll play a cool and silent dude for now, but gonna kick Ocelot’s ass later. Yeah…that’s sound like a nice plan.” I don’t know the exact reason why Kojima did this less talk- more face decision, but no matter I will enjoy the game :). Just finished playing The Last of US again on PS4 and it got such great voice acting AND facial expressions, Kojima is trying something different so all of us who are worried can just hope that it works in the end.

  • Volume

    “because it reduces the pressure that should be put on Konami and Kojima to bring him back”

    Wow. This is why my respect for Hayter keeps decreasing immensely. The only thing Konami did was follow protocol, like they always do, and have done, with all voice actors. The sickening part is,
    1]. He’s been on record to say he won’t play MGSV because he’s not in it.
    2]. He said the thought of hearing another Snake makes him ill
    3]. He’s been taking jabs at MGSV’s prowess (Calling it New Coke, making subtle jabs at GZ’s length, etc)

    And NOW, he’s making a strong implication that there SHOULD be pressure put on Konami & Kojima to bring him back. What? Okay, So if Kojima goes back on his creative integrity, cancel Kiefer’s contract, actual performance, commitment to the role, (ultimately making him waste his time) etc, etc. – AND brings back Hayter because of “lolfanboypressure” – then he will play MGSV and not take shots at it?

    I’m sorry, but that’s just pathetic. Obviously he doesn’t have that particular “love and care” for the series like most (if not, all) of his rabid fanboys obsessively paint him as having; for him to still carry sour grapes over being replaced for only 1 out of 2 main characters (Even Quinton Flynn said Konami told him that Hayter’s still Solid Snake). Did he also feel ill when Richard Doyle voiced Big Boss? Oh, wait, Hayter was still voicing the main character in that game, right guys? Therefore, nobody cares about Big Boss being voiced by someone different, am I right? I stress again, that’s just goddamn pathetic. Even though I myself enjoy Hayter’s work as Snake in the past (mostly Solid Snake), I really hope he doesn’t get called back for a future installment, because he really doesn’t deserve to be back after this (And I know his fanboys that lust for his voice will disagree, out of simple necessity for wanting his voice and nothing else), but I really hope it doesn’t happen. Even Cam Clarke was more professional and graceful, when he didn’t return for MGS4.

    • No Place For Hayter

      “1]. He’s been on record to say he won’t play MGSV because he’s not in it.”
      Nothing wrong with that, I mean there are fans who won’t even buy the game because he is not in it, if I voiced a character for such a long time and was replaced I don’t think I could really play the game honestly.

      “2]. He said the thought of hearing another Snake makes him ill.”
      Yeah, he has voiced Snake for 15 years, since he has voice the character for such a long time hearing another voice come from Snake would probably be impossible to get use to.

      “3]. He’s been taking jabs at MGSV’s prowess (Calling it New Coke, making subtle jabs at GZ’s length, etc)”
      Yeah, you can clearly see his annoyance about the whole thing through his snarky comments, but fortunately that is as unprofessional as he gets.

      Also it is a matter of how you look at things, for example where one person would see Hayter saying comments about getting his job back as pathetic and see it as that he can’t let go of his role, other people would see him fighting for his role because he loves the series and the characters and highly enjoys working on the games. It doesn’t really matter which way you see it because Hayters love for the series has been stated by himself a lot and you can clearly see he does love the series (I am primarily talking about stuff he has said while he was working on the other games, because as I said what he has said recently is all about how you personally interpret what his intentions are)

      “because it reduces the pressure that should be put on Konami and Kojima to bring him back”
      Yeah, this is not the best way of handling the situation lol, but it stems from the fact that everyone still thinks he is trolling and that he will be in the game, people can’t stop talking about it, and people can’t stop asking him about it, so it probably has reached a really irritating point for Hayter, but yes it is lower class than normal from Hayter, but he just wants his job back, at least he isn’t being an A-hole about it.

      David Hayter is far from perfect, and I don’t know why people suddenly start to loose respect for him when he is not perfect enough, Hayter has been professional and nice about the whole and only let his annoyance show through things like his snarky old coke comment, these aren’t even massive things yet it is enough for people to lose respect for the guy? did you think he was perfect? either people held Hayter way to high as a perfect human, or they simply were looking for a reason to reject Hayter and lose respect for him so even the smallest things are enough to dislike the guy completely, nobody on earth is perfect, I see no reason to lose respect for or dislike a guy simply because of the smaller part of his actions not being professional enough. We have friends and family that we love and like, we don’t simply leave them or drop them from our lives or lose complete respect for them simply because they have their faults, granted he is a voice actor and things like that should be kept off of what he says and does in public, again this is where the magnitude of what he has said comes in, He has been very professional and respectful most of the time, it is the odd comment out that his annoyance and snark come out so I don’t see why people are treating it as if he is having a fit and is cursing Kojima, which he is not.

      I know he has made unprofessional comments, but an unprofessional comment here and there is not enough for me to lose respect for or hate a guy, I also understand his thoughts behind the comments I would probably see it less harshly than most people.

      • Volume

        ((Nothing wrong with that, I mean there are fans who won’t even buy the game because he is not in it, if I voiced a character for such a long time and was replaced I don’t think I could really play the game honestly))

        – And what message does that send? “If my voice isn’t Snake, I won’t play it.” If he’s that passionate and invested in the games, to the point that he plays them start to finish, even after working on them, I see no reason to skip the game because his voice isn’t in it. His loyal fans can’t consider themselves passionate for the series if a voice for a character that’s already established to have another voice from a previous entry, is enough for you to boycott on an ambitious game. That’s passion for the voice, not the series.

        ((Yeah, he has voiced Snake for 15 years, since he has voice the character for such a long time hearing another voice come from Snake would probably be impossible to get use to.))

        – And this is why our western fan base keeps failing Kojima. Everyone keeps synchronizing Big Boss & Solid Snake, 2 different & opposing forces, as one entity simply because of David Hayter in the main lead. He has not voiced *that character* for 15 years, and Big Boss having a new voice is nothing new. That’s like saying Patrick Zimmerman has voiced Ocelot for 15 years. I get that Hayter was at the helm in MGS3, PO, and PW, but MGS4 established that Big Boss isn’t, and can’t be exclusive to Hayter. Otherwise, Hayter would have also lend his “Old Snake” voice to Big Boss in MGS4 as well.

        ((Yeah, you can clearly see his annoyance about the whole thing through his snarky comments, but fortunately that is as unprofessional as he gets.))

        – The snarky comments shouldn’t even be exploited within social medias & interviews in the first place, especially when he knows he has a huge following that hangs on his every word. The fact that people are continuously deciphering his tweets to desperately lead it into something related about MGSV proves this.

        And I will never understand why his fanbase keep making claims that he was fired, and he’s just fighting for his role. How can you be fired from a gig that you were never hired for? Shouldn’t he also be removed from the MGS:DGN that was released several months after the public announced exclusion from MGSV, (and longer before the actual decision was made) if he was “fired”? No, because he’s always approached and re-approached by each singular installment to work out deals on that particular game. The funny thing is, he himself knows this for fact. Being replaced in one installment doesn’t make you “fired” from the next installment, especially when he’s previously had the advantage with 2 characters in the same lore.

        Does that mean Greg Eagles is fired because he didn’t voice Darpa Chief/Gray Fox in the DGNs? Does that mean Patrick Zimmerman/Josh Keaton is “fired” from MGS because neither of them got reprisal in MGSV? With all the stones Hayter’s casted, I’d be surprised if Konami would even consider bringing him back.

        I never claimed David Hayter was perfect, nor did I put him on some imaginary pedestal, but even placing him on a simple standard doesn’t stop me from losing respect for him with the sour grapes he’s shown. Even inciting and promoting petition before the new VA was even revealed, was a hateful move and insensitive towards Kiefer, who was in anonymity and was already going to get enough crap from rabid Hayter fans as it is. Whether he says he respects Kiefer as a person or not, he already made the aforementioned, and indirect statement that the thought of hearing Kiefer’s voice out of Snake would make him feel ill.

        Enforcing petitions. Making snide comments after Pre-E3 (calling it a new “24” game). Making claims of not being treated with total respect by Konami, coppled with the other examples I Iisted previously? Seriously, I can’t think of any other voice actor in the past who’s expressed this amount of sour grapes over not being reprised for a role.

        Again, I love Hayter as Snake. To the point that I (and most likely Konami, given Flynn’s interview) ultimately sees him as the definitive Solid Snake, but all the salt he demonstrated in not voicing in MGSV, and making jabs at the project, just leaves a bad aftertaste in the mouth with this whole thing.

        • No Place For Hayter

          I understand more now, even if I disagree.

          And yeah Hayter wasn’t “fired” I wouldn’t agree if someone said that, he was simply not hired again.

          “Making claims of not being treated with total respect by Konami” to be fair both Konami and Kojima pretty much took a shit all over Hayter, most people whether they like him or not, agree that it was handled very badly.

          “The snarky comments shouldn’t even be exploited within social medias & interviews in the first place” I don’t think he was in any way “exploiting”, if people wanted to to say he was trying to exploit anything the best they could do was the one comment he made in this interview, the rest is just snark and in no way exploits anything or anyone.

          Though I personally think you are judging Hayter way to harshly, call me immature or unprofessional, but if someone treated me like that there would be hell to pay, public or not, so I don’t know how much you expect from “simple standard” people, I would love to meet your friends when you hold every to such high standards, I am in no way defending the snark from Hayter, but I think you are taking his actions a bit harshly.

          The term “Snake” is a term used when referring to all the different main snakes in the MGS world, solid snake, old snake, naked snake, big boss, and venom snake, even Kojima himself mostly refers to solid snake and big boss as both simply “Snake” it is in no way forgetting the difference between the two or who they are, it is simply easier than saying the MGS politically correct term of “Solid Snake and Big Boss” they are both “Snake” albeit different snakes but the term to refer to them both still applies and in no way shows someones understanding of the characters or their misunderstanding of the characters and is simply a term used when referring to them.

          But hey, different opinions and we all see things differently, so while I disagree, I understand and respect your opinion, so I’m hoping we can agree to disagree.

          • Volume

            I know this. I know the “Snake” handle is an avatar and market name referring to the 2 main characters. My point was that when his fanboys refer to David Hayter as Snake, they refer to Snake as a singular character. I can’t count how many times I’ve come across his loyal fans that said “Hayter can’t be replaced as Snake in MGSV. He’s the essence of *that* character, etc”, and then start reciting memories of MGS1 Snake. (In fact, off the top of my head, the creator of that +20,000 petition literally did this).

            And I really don’t see how any of this was “unprofessional” when he was the one that personally took it upon himself to find out why he wasn’t approached yet. In a 2005 MGS:TUS interview, he was the one that said Konami are the ones that approach him if there are deals to be worked out. He was still ultimately informed months before the public knew, which is again still protocol, but that’s another discussion altogether.

            Also, it wasn’t just that particular interview. He retweeted that same mentioned petition on Twitter, encouraging his fanbase to participate, and even allowed Greg Miller(who ironically, just to prove my point, mistaked Hayter being replaced as Solid Snake in MGSV, in that same interview) to encourage the petition from his fan followings, to remove the new VA and bring him back, all while Kiefer was anonymous, and already getting crap for just replacing Hayter in general.

            My “friends” aren’t public figures. I don’t hold anyone to unimaginable high standards. I literally said I never placed Hayter on a ridiculous pedestal, but he is a public figure. I can’t speak for my friends, but I would assume they have a basic understanding of the principles with code of behavior. Hayter tossing sour grapes around, making jabs at MGSV’s development, and enforcing petitions with statements implying Konami/KojiPro needs the fan pressure on them, does nothing but halt his chances of future reprisal.

            PS: Thanks for being very respectable with your opinions. And your retorts(somewhat lol). I’m not oblivious to the other side of things. I get that Hayter’s voice/performance plays a huge role in how we’ve come to immerse ourselves in Snake’s character, but the door was already sealed shut the moment Richard Doyle assumed the mantle. Also from what I keep seeing, everyone keeps saying they don’t want Hayter talking to himself, even though he’s the “essence” of both Snake and Big Boss lol. Anyway, I don’t really participate much on these comments, but it’s rare to have an MGS discussion without ending in a severe blood bath. Lmao. This is why I love this site.

          • No Place For Hayter

            I see your points, and yea public figures need to keep a standard, I mean one wrong move by a company and they can go under because their image will be broken, so I understand what you mean, I was simply thinking about Hayter as a normal dude, but yeah he is a public figure and has fans so his image and professionalism is very important, I walk away from this understanding more about the whole thing. And yeah, love this site 🙂

            Yeah, that’s the problem with the handle of “Snake”, when someone doesn’t know the difference, lol.

            P.S. I wouldn’t mind seeing Hayter talking to himself, talk about hard pressed to sound different, I think the universe would implode, lol.

    • John Doe

      I totally agree with you. I respect the man, but he’s being a dick who can’t move along (as well as lot of fanboys who still hope to hear him in MGS 5). Hayter put a lot into the character, I get it, and we’ll always love him for that, but it’s not his game series, it’s Kojima’s. And only he can decide who he wants to see in his next project. Looks like Hayter doesn’t love MGS, he loves himself in it.

      • No Place For Hayter

        It is all about how you look at it, just because he is in your eyes being a dick about it doesn’t mean he doesn’t care, you shouldn’t make rude assumptions about someones opinion simply because you do not agree with their actions.

  • The guy who drowned quiet

    In the e3 2014 trailer there was something looking like diamonds on eli

  • BigBoss_88

    Lol so funny gifs, that last guy must be high on drugs.

  • The guy who drowned quiet

    http://i.imgur.com/MLORFrE.gif

    gifs sound so shit with yu.OH prince heir.the waeboo booboo

  • BigBoss_88

    Just replaying MGS1 after a long time, looooove it and David’s voice is badass :). It’s amazing how great this game still is compared to the most recent games, even if it was released so many years ago in 1998. Next stop, Psycho Mantis…oh damn O_O; .

    • No Place For Hayter

      “who’s footprints are these?” Honestly what game would even think about that now in days, let alone have the creativity to put it in the game, truly a great game.

  • No Place For Hayter

    Ok I understand.

    Though to be fair Ocelot and liquid had quiet an identity crisis, I wasn’t following MGS heavily at that time so I didn’t have an opinion on that, but I probably would have thought it was retarded, because it is the same as this incident because Japan gets to keep the same voice but over here we get changed, but at least for Liquid Ocelot there is two legitimate voices, they is also two voices for Big Boss, but they decided not to use Richard Doyle, and go with someone new, so yeahhhhhh.

    People won’t say you don’t like English voice acting, I mean we would not be having the discussion if we both did not care about it.

    • PrinceHeir

      Well the reason why Japan get’s too keep it is because who will they replace them with?

      People say Otsuka should be replace because they did the same thing in English one. Then who should they replace with? Some people don’t even know him besides the Japanese Snake(even though he’s a legend in Japan and in the Anime industry).

      All i can think off is Unshō Ishizuka who did Heihachi from Tekken Tag 2 series(after Gouri passed away last 2010) and he is currently doing Old Joseph from JoJo stardust crusaders right now. The only reason Kojima replaced him is because it is redundant to use a different English voice actor when you already have the actual motion capture actor himself doing the mouthpiece.

      Then agian, they did use different motion capture for Resident Evil games. Resident Evil 5 motion capture for Chris Redfield is Reuben Langdon(Dante from Devil May Cry 3/4) while voice is Roger Craig Smith.

      So i kinda see why people are upset about it.

      Actually Japan did have two Liquids. The thing that happened is that the Japanese Old Ocelot passed away after MGS1. So the Japanese MGS1 Liquid Snake voiced him from MGS2 and MGS4. Which i think kinda makes sense since Ocelot is trying to be Liquid.

      Big Boss was actually voiced by Otsuka’s own father who had a real life fallout and Kojima intervene and tried to ease their relationship which i think is a brilliant touch.

      Doyle is amazing though. I was surprise he did The Fury in MGS3 which sounds different from his Big Boss.

      In any case, i’ll be buying both ENG and JPN editions of Phantom Pain. I’ve actually used to miss Hayter’s voice during the English reveal. But yeah i just don’t like how Hayter is handling this.

      Maybe he still can do his old Snake from MGS1 and MGS2. And who knows if he’ll come back for MGS6 or anything. I’m sure Hayter is a cool guy and all, but the way he’s acting right now is definitely leaving a bad impression of him(from my perspective)

      Of course Kiefer isn’t a saint either. Since i heard during the production of 24 live another day, a lot of the new cast hated working with him since he seems to be stubborn and prefers to be alone. But then i read other reports that he’s just serious with his job and wants to make the best off it.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/freddie-prinze-jr-learns-why-you-dont-say-bad-things-about-co-workers/

      • No Place For Hayter

        Yeah, agreed.

        What Kojima did with Big Boss’s and Solid Snakes Japanese voice actors at the end of MGS4 was truly brilliant.

  • dude

    tltr

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