Kojima wanted Kurt Russell to voice Snake in MGS3, David Hayter says

In a recent podcast from Game Informer, former Snake voice actor David Hayter talked about his contributions to the Metal Gear series over the years, and the way it ended with MGSV, when Kojima chose Kiefer Sutherland for the new voice of Snake. According to Hayter, Kojima actually wanted a new voice actor since Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (the first game featuring Big Boss as a protagonist).

“I had to re-audition for Metal Gear 3 to play Naked Snake. They made me re-audition to play Old Snake, and the whole time, they were trying to find somebody else to do it. I heard that Kojima asked one of the producers on Metal Gear 3 to ask Kurt Russell if he would take over for that game. He didn’t want to do it.”

Kurt Russell’s character Snake Plissken in the 1981 movie Escape from New York was actually one of the inspirations behind the famous protagonist.

Snake Plissken in Escape from New York (1981)
Snake Plissken in Escape from New York (1981)

To listen to the full podcast, head over to Game Informer’s website.

Source: Game Informer

  • Spectralbuttplug

    In pretty sure Kurt would be much better than Hayter

    • hunner

      MGS4 and PW Hayter? Probably. MGS 1-3 Hayter? Hell no

      • Spectralbuttplug

        Mgs3 Hayter was annoying
        Mgs2 Hayter was legendary

        • hunner

          From what i remember he has the exact same voice in both games. His best performance was still in mgs 1 imo

          • Spectralbuttplug

            Really nigger
            He has the same voice?Lmao No

          • hunner

            He sounds the exact same in 2,3 and PO lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seuq0haB43g

          • Spectralbuttplug

            Well that is another reason why I don’t like Hayter but also why I like him lol

          • Spectralbuttplug

            His performance in mgs1 is iconic to fans

  • Mister David “Never be getting over it” Hayter.

    Man, I used to love this guy so much back in the day.
    When he still had his dignity.

  • Gatsu

    It’s time to move on and forget what happened in the past Hayter.

  • Venom_Sina

    They should’ve changed the voice back in 2004 (if they really had plans for it).Two different characters,two different voices.Makes sense,too.
    I really love Hayter’s voice and I enjoyed his BigBoss in 3 and PW,but we have to admit,BB is completely different from Solid.He has more feelings than SS and Kiefer really nailed it in GZ and TPP.

    Thanks for the coverage,Boss.

    • XOF

      “They should’ve changed the voice back in 2004 (if they really had plans for it).Two different characters,two different voices.Makes sense,too.”

      People say that SS is a clone of BB so they should have the same voice. But going by that, Hayter should of voiced Solidus and Liquid Snake because they are clones of BB as well. 😛

      But what’s done is done. I’m one of those fans that like both Hayter and Kiefer. At least Hayter got replaced by a good Hollywood actor. Kiefer seems like a genuine humble guy.

      • Biggy

        I liked Hayter too but I didn’t like him much in peace walker.
        However I think clones can have different voices because clones aren’t complete copies of the original on the genetic level. Hence the blonde hair of liquid and brown hair of solid. And big boss had other features solid snake didn’t. They could definitely make that work if they included it in the games the whole science angle I put.

        • Full Options

          Genetic stays static/linear without life that is dynamic. 2 perfect twins can have different voices, aspect, depending their past experiences. At some points / ages, the brain take over genes, modifying them to adapt to the future.

          • Biggy

            Epigenetics, awesome nice to have another scientist on board!

          • Full Options

            I am cheating, my mom is an authority in the domain. ;D
            I am just a technology and science enthusiast. But glad you used the word “Epigenetics”, it makes me feel like she finally managed to teach me something despite my legendary BS-attitude ! :DD

        • JoJo

          David’s largely “meh” performance in Peace Walker was due entirely to voice direction and not his skill. He can still do the same MGS3 Snake voice, he was just doing it like the director told him to.
          I know you didn’t say otherwise, I just thought it was worth mentioning.

          • Biggy

            Cool thanks did not know that.

    • Spectralbuttplug

      In Pw he sounded like shit imo

    • César H. Sandoval

      Yeah, there was never any logical reason for Hayter to be BB other than fanservice, I still believe that the whole “replacement” was poorly managed on Kojima’s part, especially since Akio remained as the JP-voice.

      But well Venom wasn’t even BB, and he barely spoke anyway, I already made my peace with it, MGS’s done and both Hideo and David are on different paths from it.

  • Jav

    Kurt > Kiefer

    • Spectralbuttplug

      Kiefer>Hayter

  • Icosikaidigon

    Well at least we know that this wasn’t some sudden change of decision for MGSV. It would have made sense to change it for MGS3, or even MGS4. And Of course they had someone else voice Big Boss in MGS4 (as having Hayter voice both of them in a sequence would have been silly). And to a certain extent, it’s silly that Big Boss sounded like Solid Snake, as Solidus and Liquid didn’t at all.
    But then again, by the time MGS3 came out Hayter’s voice was the association for Snake in general.

  • Daburcor

    I would’ve changed him after the first one. I know that’s kind of become blasphemy over the years, but it’s also truly how I felt. I just never liked Hayter.

  • Shalashaska

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    I know i know.. Ive not active forever and im so sorry people 🙁
    Just life happened and then gaming stopped and Ive not touched my x360 for ages now!!!!!!!

    @venom_sina:disqus@Gatsu88:disqus@Nyxus:disqus

    • Hey welcome back!

    • JJBYACH

      Let the legend come back to life! Welcome back solider. o7

      • Spectralbuttplug

        *soldier?

        • JJBYACH

          I know what I said… A true Metal Gear Solid-er has um returned.

          Definitely wasn’t a typo.

          • Spectralbuttplug

            Oh sorry
            In exchange fpr forgiveness you can CQC my ass into submission 🙂

          • JJBYACH

            I’ll need to try and remember the basics first. So, You’re good, *fpr now…

    • Gatsu

      WOOOOAH :O! Welcome back Shala 😀 , maaan it’s great to see you again. I’ve been great thanks and enjoying life in new apartment since September 1 :).

      It’s totally okey if not active here, so no need to be sorry. There’s quite many pre-TPP release bros who hasn’t commented much and yeah, as you said life happens :).

      I haven’t touched my PS4 in ages either :P, 95% PC user at the moment.
      https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2013-11/enhanced/webdr02/16/13/anigif_enhanced-buzz-31984-1384627810-7.gif

    • Venom_Sina

      Hey man,Welcome back.We missed you.Good to have you here.

      • Project Siren

        Hey Sina, how can i talk you in private? Drood Sina, age vasat maghdore ye chizi bede (shomare ya id fb ya …) ke ba ham dar ertebat bashim. Merci. 🙂

    • Spectralbuttplug

      Guess who’s back
      Back again
      Shahla’s back
      Tell a friend

  • hunner

    Kojima treated him like shit. He has every right to be bitter. I’m fine with him not being the voice of Big Boss but replacing him as Solid Snake in MGS 4? What a joke.

    • XOF

      If i recall quinton flynn had to re-audtion for raiden in mgs4 as well. I think they wanted to make 100% sure he can do a much older version of SS. In the end they both got their parts. So no problems for me there.

      I was fine with the big boss voice switch as well but I think kojima should have at least told hayter in advance that he wouldnt be voicing snake for mgsv. That way hayter wouldn’t be so bitter lol. Hopefully kojima learns from this for his future games.

      • Full Options

        Looks very generic japanese style process. They are always triple checking everything, those re-auditions look more like medical check-ups, nothing to be frustrated about. They just want to make sure they chose the best option.

        David is not alone, that’s how heavy productions works. For instance the same goes for Muranaka-chan whereas tons of her compositions were not selected.

        Disney for example used let usually about 20 different artists draw a 20 sec tiny shot. They let them 2 years to draw those 500 frames and finally choose one at the end. Fortunately, the 19 other artists don’t cry like babies at the end.

        It is also pretty clear that Hideo is never taking his decisions on a personal stand-point, but always for the sake of the production.
        David manifestly take things too personally, instead of considering the production more globally.

        If Hideo did not choose David till the last sec, it is actually more respectful than it seems.. It just means that he hesitated until the end on whether he should let Hayter do it or not. Not simple decision at all, after all the opuses David covered.

    • Spectralbuttplug

      Yeah

    • Spectralbuttplug

      Treated like shit?Kojima decides what he wants
      MGS4 fucked him up for good

    • Full Options

      Come on “like shit”…
      Remember he takes his decisions for whatever he feels like being the best for us. There was nothing personal in locking out David. It would de facto become quite unfair for Hideo to think otherwise. He had his reasons and were for sure only artistic ones.

  • Spectralbuttplug

    Happy dead man on a sti……..Euhm I mean Happy Easter’s everyone

  • Lewis

    Changing a voice actor in V was a decision of an idiot. It doesn’t matter if Kiefer did better or not, talked more or less. There is a voice for a character and you’ve got to be a disrespectful moron to change it. Hayter was never a top class voice actor. He sounded cheesy, wasn’t all that expressive. But you know what? David was Snake. He was Solid Snake, and then he became Big Boss. Since then – no way back. And I really don’t give a fuck about “different direction” of V. If you make a game about Snake – Hayter should voice him. That is maybe the biggest reason with V not being a Metal Gear game for me. It is great, but the characters are gone, noone left. Ocelot is bland, Huey is the biggest shit in the universe and Miller is just Suffer Queen without development. And to top it off, Snake doesn’t bring me great lines with a voice of a teacher, that’s been smoking for 50 years straight. No matter how cheesy David is, no matter how good Kiefer did, I will always say, that the change of the voice actor was wrong. Peace.

    • MrVux007

      when i think about it, i kinda agree with you.

    • Well, Big Boss had already a different voice actor in MGS4…

      • Lewis

        To not make Solid and BB talk to each other with the same voice. It didn’t even work in TPP, it was awful.

    • Full Options

      I hear you, but I think there was nothing wrong in trying to improve Snake’s voice which is what Hideo tried. To make Snake look and sound as great as possible. Look at the mesh, his animations, he tried his best to improve all aspects. Not simple at all.

      • Lewis

        How about a new Snake? A new mercenary/operative, new voice, new story. I’m not against new voice actors. I’m against uninspired changes that only break immersion.

        • Full Options

          Sorry to read that your immersion was broken by that. Kiefer had a lot less quotes than David, although quite cool ones (at least for me).

          • Lewis

            I would never deny, that Kiefer did a great job (although the writing was terrible at times). But…if you make a new Metal Gear with new direction and motives, why not a new character? Like they did with Raiden, but less of a trolling, more of a really fleshed out person. Hell, I would even enjoy a game about “Skullface Snake” about how he was “cleaning up” after FOX, with Kiefer voicing him.

            In my opinion, even if Hayter is cheesy and kinda “bad” it is a part of a character. If Kojima didn’t like, how he performed – make a new character with a new/unexplored storyline. Reportedly, he wanted to do something else for a long time, so I think, it would be better, if he did a Metal Gear without famous characters or with their cameos only. So that haters of Hayter (heh) would still get a full game with great Sutherland and fans would get one-two lines of that voice in a cameo scene.

          • Full Options

            That’s not easy, I was really surprised and entertained by Hideo’s prank to replace Snake by Raiden, but fans are not always tolerant. Yet some were complaining about playing the medic in V, which makes absolutely zero difference (for me) in terms of gameplay and a slight one in the story. I also would have loved another character. Although this Snake was really great / classy to control for me.

          • Lewis

            In terms of gameplay and controls it is phenomenal. I think this is the best controls I’ve ever played. Every game is pain to play now. 😀

            I really like Raiden and liked him even more in 4, when he kinda got his personal identity, not just a “clone/phantom” of Snake. Wish Kojima expanded the main cast a bit more. It is always great to see the story from another angle.

          • Full Options

            Raiden is simply amazing. I loved every single of his cut-scene in MGS4. I also restarted a full Rising playthrough 2 weeks ago. I was also sooo glad to control him again in GZ and TPP. Would have been great if he had his blades and if this FoxEngine iteration included the possibility to cut things (tanks, soldiers zandatsu style xD), but obviously far too complicated for devs.

          • Lewis

            Well, iirc, wasn’t Metal Gear Solid: Rising (a demo to MGR) done in Fox Engine?

          • Full Options

            I guess the engine was under some form of state between MGS4’s and the current FoxEngine. Could not remember exactely what they clould not sum up that Platinum finally could… Need to rewatch vids on the subject. Adding such functionalities to at least some geometries in TPP would have probably been pain in the .ss for multiple concerns (also physics, etc..) but not impossible. I hope we will have such gaming concepts in the nearest future.

          • JJBYACH

            I wish MGSV dropped the whole meta story already told better in MGS2 and went for a more straightforward story of Big Boss becoming a demon. Just because a story has many layers doesn’t necessarily mean it is a well written one.

    • DonquixoteDoflamingo

      Take off those nostalgia fanboy goggles. They are really embarrassing to look at.

      • Lewis

        I’m not a fanboy of Hayter. I’m a fanboy of same voice actors for same characters if they didn’t go through big changes.

    • XOF

      What about Time Winters as Zero? 🙁
      I thought he did a great older version of Piddock’s Zero …

      • Lewis

        Time Winters was great, but they did ask Piddock to voice Zero, and he refused.

        Ocelot, yeah, but his other two voice actors played him at his different ages. And Troy…I’m a big fan of Mr. Baker, but this Ocelot was not what I expected. So I can’t agree with this change either.

    • Alex

      Big Boss always felt like a different character to me. He had a different story and different life experience from Solid Snake. He always should’ve been a different voice in my opinion. While there are examples of clones having the same voices, there were also examples of clones having different voices.

      • Lewis

        Yeah, I agree. He needed a different voice actor. But once they made Hayter his voice actor not in 1, but 2 games – there was no way back.

  • MrVux007

    Quick update from me guys!
    Yesterday i took a flight to London,now i’m waiting for the next one.And while i have time,just wanted to let you all know that i will be absent now from MGI (more then usual).New job position,new duties and less time to mess around with you guys.
    I will keep in touch tho for the next 77 days,try not to cry to much while i’m gone… 😛

    https://38.media.tumblr.com/0b1b8fa53387e2567e00121ae80e2bdd/tumblr_inline_o3gkozs4cy1r7qgqm_500.gif

    • Full Options

      Hey Duuuuuuuuude ! You start tomorrow right ? So on which seas our favorite filibuster will sail this time ??? Please keep us posted, it is like a bit of us is also digitally travelling with you, haha ;D
      Don’t hesitate to post pictures of the various islands on which you’ll hide your treasures !

      • MrVux007

        Aye matey!
        My ship will be on the same route as the last time,from Miami to St.Maarten(or simply from Florida to various Carribean isles)…
        If i have time i will post a couple of pictures 🙂

        • Full Options

          Please do so ! And thanks for the details. We wish you the best waters, Dude.
          Remember, if you attack a ship, do not forget to CQC the captain if you want to keep a Perfect Stealth S Rank. xD

    • Gatsu

      Don’t forget the rum my friend! Happy sailing in the sea again and enjoy Deus Ex, once of my favorite games 🙂 and so excited for Mankind Divided. Hope to hear from you once in a while :D.

      I’ll try not to cry :3 …

    • Spectralbuttplug

      Good Bye mate
      I don’t have the courage to say anything more

    • Mini gear

      see you friend. never forget on you’re hiatus though ;-;7

    • JJBYACH
    • don’t know if you will still get the time to read this one but good luck and safe travel man

      • Full Options

        He’ll read it on board soon, if not already. His bandwidth is crap on seas.

  • JoJo

    People still telling David to just “get over it” are as ignorant now as they were when Kiefer was announced as the new voice of Big Boss.
    He spent over 10 years as Solid Snake and Big Boss, and to have that pulled out from underneath him because of a directorial whim of Kojima’s has always been (and will always be) a load of bull.

    These are the same people who willingly ignore that Akio Otsuka got to keep his job, by the way. These are the people that, despite the fact that Venom/BB barely talked in the game, criticise David for being upset that he missed the send off for one of the two characters he cherised.

    Honestly, all the “he has no dignity” or “he needs to get over it” comments are ridiculous and they irritate me every time I see them. I’d like to see the way many of you react when you lose a job you’ve had for over a decade because of some notion of Big Boss’ change, especially when that turned out to be a completely redundant reason. Makes me sick that so many people turn on David because he’s upset that he got cut out of the Metal Gear Solid finale. Of course he is!

    • Ocelot got a new voice actor too, but you almost never hear people about that. It’s a new project, and Kojima wanted something new. He should have every right to do that. By the way, they did explain why Akio did not get replaced. http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=8231

      • JoJo

        I understand the point made, but ultimately we’ll never know if David was capable of that or not because the decision had been made prior to him even having the opportunity to audition. I also understand retaining Akio Otsuka (I’m in favour of retaining established voice actors for established characters wherever possible), but it’s an unfair double-standard nevertheless.
        As for Ocelot, while I’m not as upset as I am about Snake, it certainly sucks. It could have been a good opportunity for Patric Zimmerman to do a more relaxed version of the character, or maybe Josh Keaton doing a darker one. Again, we’ll never know. And god knows, we could use a bit less of Troy Baker in every major release every year.

        I never said Kojima didn’t have the right to shake up the series whatever way he wanted to, and I think Kiefer Sutherland did a fantastic job, but David Hayter also has a right to continue feeling hurt or ripped off about it.

        • Gatsu

          He has every right to have those feelings and I feel for the guy. But personally I’m also kinda tired hearing these things after so many months. Every time there is news about David we end up hearing more of this, mostly because the interviewer just has to ask about it.

          Anyway, all this VA debate brings the heat and I rather just move on after discussing it for few years already.

          • Spectralbuttplug

            Well mgsv haters are even worse

          • JoJo

            Near as I can tell the only reason David keeps talking about it is because fans and outlets keep asking him about it.
            Maybe that’s not the case, maybe it is, but hey.

          • You’re very right, that’s also why the article was more focused on how Kurt Russell could’ve been the voice of Snake in MGS3 than on the Hayter / Kiefer discussion, but of course it ended up like that.

          • Gatsu

            I could totally imagine Kurt being Snake too, well he actually is ;).

          • Alex

            While I always wanted Big Boss to have a different actor, I wouldn’t want Russel to play him if he didn’t have any good VO experience. So many movie actors fall terribly flat in video games.

        • He does, but it would probably benefit Hayter himself to just ‘let it go’, although it’s understandable he is disappointed.

    • Full Options

      One solid reason why Kiefer was chosen over David is percap. If you had to sample the facial expressions along with voices, would you choose David Hayter or Kiefer Sutherland ?? ;D

      • JoJo

        It’s impossible to say without seeing a sample of what David Hayter’s facial capture would look like, honestly.

        • Full Options

          I understand but their both filmography is incomparable. David is great, but Kiefer is a proven Rolls Royce of acting. I think it was a safer choice for a character’s story like Snake’s.

    • Spectralbuttplug

      Dude,people like you make me sick
      I agree Kojima is not god and we kinda overestimated him but can Hayter stop being a bitch and get over it?Oh wait he wasn’t being one , people like you made it look like he was one ! He got all this respect from fans yet kojima didn’t want him . Fans really overreacted IMO.

      • JoJo

        Cool troll bro.

        • Spectralbuttplug

          From who do you buy crack?

    • JJBYACH

      Again, people missing the actual reason of Hayter’s animosity: it has very little to do with him losing his role to Kiefer, as he state before (I think he said I in the Yong interview) it happens all the time in Hollywood. What pissed him off was that they didn’t think he was even worth taking the damn time to tell him that he was fired; let alone explain why. You shouldn’t have to find out yourself that you were fired from you job especially after decades of service: they owe it you not even ethically, but professionally – to show respect to those who work under its name. Not telling employees when they no longer work for you is underhanded, passive aggressive and petty behaviour.

      As therapeutic as venting your anger is, finding peace and moving on is a more physically and healthy solution to anything. Hayter at this point should move on. It’s starting to get immature now, especially with how Konami’s vindictive nature and unprofessionalism has been slowly bubbling to the surface ever since he left. He should know it wasn’t a personal attack, Konami just doesn’t care about any of its employees – if it could treat Kojima himself in the way it did, who is Hayter to warrant any better treatment?

      To specify: I don’t think Konami was the one who wanted Kiefer – that is a stupid and baseless proposition. Kojima wanted Kiefer and he got him – he just didn’t get any say in how the whole situation gets handled.

      • One thing though, Hayter wasn’t an employee of Konami and thus wasn’t fired, voice actors are hired on a project by project basis.

        • JJBYACH

          I assumed the handlers of the project were Konami employees and not a 3rd party casting company or something, henceforth it could be considered a Konami project and Hayter a Konami employee for the duration of that project – but as you said, yes; technically he isn’t an employee but the circumstances surrounding his involvement in the project (or lack thereof) was ultimately determined by Konami; who hired Kiefer per Kojima’s wishes.

      • Full Options

        It is getting hysterical for a year now. I am not fan of David but I am really disappointed by his behavior. He is carrying far much than he likely understand. He should send a resume to Konami for MGS6 instead of just spitting on Hideo, specially these years (unless he wants a MGS exclusively directed by Hideo xD). He probably has the right to feel locked out, but should not share this that loud. It feels so cheap :/

      • Alex

        He wasn’t an employee and never contracted. The cultures are quite different, we Americans are pretty entitled to things like that compared to Japanese. Just think back to all the reports we were hearing about Konami mistreating KojiPro; that’s all normal standard Japanese things, they have it much rougher than us. Yet you don’t hear a complaint from them at all even though they don’t work for them anymore.

        • JJBYACH

          I’m pretty sure the reason Kojima doesn’t complain is that he is under some legal agreement or something that prevents him from saying anything Konami deems as “defamatory”. Hayter isn’t on the other hand isn’t. All the interviews where the interviewee brings up Konami, Kojima quickly shuts them down and says he can’t comment any further and wants to move on with his life – he doesn’t raise both his arms in the air and say “it is what it is”, while grinning to the camera. His whole response and demeanor to the whole thing suggests he went through quite a traumatic ordeal and wants to desperately move on and not dwindle on the past.

          Also I know, Hayter wasn’t contracted to work on MGSV. What I’m saying is that he was contracted to work on every Metal Gear Solid game prior, with no reason to think he wouldn’t work on another MGS game before MGSV came out. All actors work on a project to project basis – being employed via an internal or third party casting company and they do their work, collect their check and leave to the next project. Henceforth, when Hayter was working on MGS he was being paid by Konami as an actor in one of their projects (MGS).

          Anyway, I have no definitive proof that suggests Kojima is legally bound by some legal NDA mumbo-jumbo thing, so let’s play devils advocate and say maybe Kojima wasn’t under some legal restriction about speaking free about Konami as you suggest. And he doesn’t talk about the ordeal because Japanese business culture is much more harsher than the west; the fact still remains; Konami’s behavior by any standards is unprofessional and unethical and deserves to be met with abhorrence, disgust and vilification. Just because Kojima isn’t vocal about his treatment and time there, doesn’t mean we should excuse it – when we see bullshit behavior, we as a community need to call it out, not excuse it because “we need to be tolerant of all cultures”, “they are used to it so it is okay, we have it easy, man up and stop complaining”. No; they shouldn’t be “used” to this behavior, people shouldn’t be “used” to being treated like a number. Why is western culture “entitled” to such a fundamental human right as being treated like a person? Shouldn’t that be everyone’s right regardless whatever stupid rules your culture dictates? If a clan of people hidden in the mountains eat children as a cultural tradition, does it not deserved to be called out, criticised publicly and brought to a stop as soon as possible? And who better to do this than the people who were previously a part of that culture. I know, comparing Konami to an entire culture of child eating cannibals is an extreme exaggeration, but you get the point.

          Regardless, Hayter needs to move on, being bitter isn’t going to change anything – his initial reaction to the debacle has caused many to be aware of Konami and its antics, the most damage Hayter could do to Konami and its reputation by complaining has already been done, the protest is over – now is the time just move on.

          • Alex

            I think both sides are pretty important, but developing one’s character and tolerance is far more applicable and important than trying to change the culture of an entire nation. Making the world a better place always starts with yourself anyway.

            One clan of people eating children would probably be eliminated or imprisoned entirely in our world, so I’ll use a more realistic example like say, a nation that has no problem eating cats. You can as a society try your best to make political reforms, but ultimately there is no guarantee and it could take many years/decades. As an individual though what you can do is be all Jesus about it and not judge them for how they are, that’s what I mean with character and tolerance.

            “No; they shouldn’t be “used” to this behavior, people shouldn’t be “used” to being treated like a number.”

            You’re right in that they shouldn’t be, but if they are, than they just are and that’s how it is, there’s nothing you or them can do about it. Slaves back in the day didn’t really know better thus didn’t really complain much, they took the world for how it was and how they saw/understood it and just ran with it. Trying to take a stand against it was a one way trip to death and getting depressed about it was a one way trip to suicide.

            At least we both agree that Hayter should stop bringing it up as it is pointless at this point. What he says may hurt Kojima’s image but in my opinion it hurts himself more so than Kojima, so its probably best if he stopped trying to throw him under the bus. He could’ve answered the questions in a professional manner without getting into details about it and how he felt about it, because it really makes him look completely out the loop when he says things like he wants to work with Konami again. If I was an interviewer, I would tell him about the reports detailing just how bad and stupid Konami is recently. It would probably make him want to go back to Kojima lol.

          • JJBYACH

            Yeah, I 100% agree. Shouting and screaming about something on the loudest megaphone will attract attention, but in they end it may only end up damaging ones voice.

            I can’t tell if it’s just plain ignorance or he is blinded by so much hatred for Kojima, but the way he talks about Konami really suggests the latter to me, as if he is saying these things to spite Kojima – like the enemy of my enemy is my friend kinda deal. If that is the case then his pettiness rivals Konami and maybe they should work together in future projects.

    • “…because of a directorial whim of Kojima’s has always been (and will always be) a load of bull.”

      as much as i love and respect Kojima, i gotta agree with this, and even when i don’t mind they changed Hayter it will always seem to me that having Kiefer was just a whim on Kojima’s part. especially when thinking that they kept Otsuka

      • Full Options

        Hi Lorenzo, were you really loving all David perfs that much ? As Spectral stated somewhere below, he was legendary in MGS2 but a bit sounding like a boring “assimil” english course audio tape in MGS3 (for those who happen to use english course audio tapes). I think Hideo was preoccupied by both face expressions and of course a bit of Kiefer-hype (as you said). Can not blame him for that, Kiefer is a so great actor like is father.

        • hi man, mhh not sure if i loved them all but i can say they grew on me as time passed, after all we heard him for a lot of years on the saga. never sounded bad to me and even when some criticize his acting on 3 we all should remember that around 2004 videogame voice acting wasn’t as big as now so that really changes the perspective on how we should look at Hayter’s work.

          you also agree and the Kiefer hype by Hideo, and really that is my only problem with it, there’s no real reason behind having Kiefer than just a whim on Kojima’s part, and i don’t really like Kiefer so that could be another reason why i’m not really supportive of his whim (now if he would have convinced Rusell… hahaha) i don’t dslike him either. we were told about the facial capture as the real reason why they needed an actor but come on, we should all admit that there’s not much going on on that department, i saw like 3 different expressions on Big medic’s face through the whole game.

          • Full Options

            You are right, voice acting was really rudimentary, specially in video games and we can easily forget this. For me, his voice sounded a bit saturated, overdoing it in 3, whereas it was a perfect fit for a Raiden’s mentor. A lot also is due to how the script is articulated.

            Hideo likely wants to keep it hollywoodian, he is also a clever producer. He trusted his feelings probably being also more receptive to the audience Kiefer too lately deserved thanks to 24. He is a really strong actor, forget about 24 (he is okay in it though). Just check his previous movies if not already. He had often villain roles and was so good.

          • i can at least say i love him on Lost Boys haha, that’s a great one. i’ll take sometime to check more of his career though

          • Full Options

            Lost boys a MUST. He was always good at playing villains. He had often small roles before. He was awesome in Dark City.

    • Alex

      Unlike Akio, Kiefer’s facial performance is the bedrock of the character’s entire presence, in both English and Japanese. David feels insulted that Kojima felt he wasn’t good enough for facial performance, even though his acting career on-screen wouldn’t inspire anyone to hire him for facial capture to be honest, especially since Venom was extremely subtle in everything and David’s roles were exaggerated, which is probably why he was a good VO since you have to exaggerate in VO.
      If David felt so upset that he couldn’t even take a breath and realize WHY the decision was made, than his character still shows some flaws either way. In none of his interviews does he mention anything about facial performance. In fact, if he just played Ground Zeroes I’m sure he would understand a lot better and probably even agree/forgive.

  • DonquixoteDoflamingo

    What an ungrateful little shit! Seriously? No love for Kojima? Who single handly made your career? David stop being little whiny bitch already and move the fuck on. You weren’t selected for the game. Boo-fuckity-who.

    Seriously i must have seen better display of maturity from fucking kindergarden students than this actor who can’t seem to except that anyone else can play characters that he didn’t even defined in the first place and instead destroyed any shred of personality and characterization they had with his crappy voice.

    This just proves that David was a fan of MGS when he was hearing the sound of his own voice. The moment Kojima says that he needs a different actor, is the moment when David throws a shitty tantrums about how he doesn’t care about Kojima or MGS anymore. No wonder i want this pretentious hack of actor to be forgotten as the mediocre actor that he is.

    • JJBYACH

      A bit harsh, and I think you are not taking into account the actual cause of his distress.

      It was the way he was cut off from the franchise warranted his initial disdain – it was sneaky, underhanded, passive aggressive and not professional by any means; funnily enough Kojima received similar treatment in his final months at Konami, take that as you will.

      It’s like after decades of working at a job you love, you try and step into your office and everyone there asks “why are you here?”. Confused and offended that everyone at that job has forgotten your decades of service you leave and ponder what happened. Then you hear that someone else has your job and you were indeed fired as you expected, but the company never even bothered telling you otherwise and they wouldn’t have told you unless you found out yourself. It’s not the fact he was fired that pisses off Hayter so much, it’s that they didn’t think he was even worth taking the damn time to tell him that he was fired; let alone explain why. Imagine that happened to you.

      But now I would say would be the time to move on, his once justifiable anger has turned to sour bitterness and is really depressing to hear over and over. Bitterness corrupts.

      • Venom_Sina

        Man,I really love to just sit and read your comments.You know you’re creating gold every time you write something?

        • JJBYACH

          Thanks, I do enjoy writing.

        • True Sheperd

          Same here. This JJ guy really knows his shit.

          • JJBYACH

            Thanks – I haven’t seen you around here. Welcome fellow Diamond Dog! Hope you enjoy your stay here on Motherbase. o7

      • XOF

        A bit harsh? That was a pretty toxic comment. lol

        • JJBYACH

          Lol, that was quite an understatement. That post was quite childishly aggressive.

          • Spectralbuttplug

            Yeah but did it insult someone?
            Did it break the rules?

          • JJBYACH

            I don’t have to say something that directly hurts someone I know for it to be classed as a needlessly aggressive and toxic thing to say. I could say Katy Perry is a slut and should die of cancer – will that hurt her? No: she will never see my comment. But the accusation is baseless, extremely immature, insensitive and doesn’t further my point in any way. It’s all ad hominem nonsense and has no baring in a critique or discussion that has the intention of being taken seriously.

          • Full Options

            Konami is so stupid that they may have fired David first, thinking he was Hideo. xD

          • JJBYACH

            That is very likely, lol. They probably got the names mixed up.

          • Full Options

            Yeah, fortunately for TPP, Hideo won few extra months with this. I have heard they tried to fire Kiefer too, thinking he was Ocelot. xD

          • JJBYACH

            Explains why Snake doesn’t speak so much – they probably didn’t even finish recording all his lines.

          • Full Options

            xDxDxD Could not have better conclude this investigation ! xD
            We finally assembled all the missing pieces of the puzzle.
            Although some should devote themselves to tell Konami to stop chasing Adamska everywhere in Konami Tower… It is becoming embarrassing…

        • Spectralbuttplug

          A toxic comment?
          So speaking the truth is now toxic?
          Says a guy who thinks that using profanity is pretty toxic

          • XOF

            Most of what that person said was extremely exaggerated and was a baseless accusation.

            He/she was missing the whole point of why Hayter is so bitter.

      • Spectralbuttplug

        Because Hayter did not do well at his job
        Here’s why

  • Kol Leqejza

    john cygan should’ve voiced big boss, since solidus is a perfect clone.

    • Venom_Sina

      Solidus is my favorite villain in the entire series.His voice is really powerful,too.That’s a cool idea.

      • Kol Leqejza

        i’m a solidus afficianado myself. and john cygan’s voice just kicks ass. one of the best voice actors, imo.

  • Venom_Sina

    “I’ve got n particular love for Kojima.” – David Hayter

    Anyone remembers this?!?!

    • Project Siren

      Hey Sina, how can i talk you in private? Drood Sina, age vasat maghdore ye chizi bede (shomare ya id fb ya …) ke ba ham dar ertebat bashim. Merci. 🙂 Montazeram…

      • Venom_Sina

        درود بر شما.این ایمیل منه:
        sina.jafari.bigboss@gmail.com.
        من در خدمتم.

        • Full Options

          Yadet bashey badan email addresset ro pac coni as inja ba “edit”, agey na, bishtar spam miressey ru mailboxet.

          • Venom_Sina

            Bashe.Aslan yadam nabood.Merci baraye yad avari 🙂

          • Full Options

            Raesh miconam. ;D

          • Project Siren

            به به دوستان ایرانی اینجا کم نداریم :دی
            خوشحال میشم با شما هم در ارتباط باشم.

          • Full Options

            ;D Farsi GEAR Solid. Sorry, my Farsi is weak though. I was born in France. Glad to meet you in all cases and Best !

          • Project Siren

            Thank you very much. same here.

          • Full Options

            All the pleasure is mine, please be my guest.

          • True Sheperd

            You too Iranian?
            Damn. Sina was too obvious but you… Loved all your articles

          • Full Options

            Hi True Sheperd, I am just a regular visitor of this fantastic place. Those superb articles are written by Nyxus who moderates (with Golgari, Gatsu and CrimsonFox) this portal along with designing it. I am not sure but I think Nyxus is based in Netherlands (@Nyxus, just confirm/infirm this). My both parents are Iranian and I was born in France. Pleased to meet you !

          • Yep, Netherlands (Amsterdam)

          • Full Options

            Bedankt Nyxus ! ;D

          • Spectralbuttplug

            A blade runner sequel is set to release in 2019 with Ford(If he survives old age)

          • Full Options

            Hi mate, you remember, we already raised this question. I think it is for early 2018, unless you had some fresh meat on the topic in-between now and last time.
            Here is the imdb entry for it 🙂
            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/

          • True Sheperd

            Yo! Got a Telegram account or anything?

        • Project Siren

          ممنون سینا جان، واست ایمیل فرستادم، چک کن حتما

      • Spectralbuttplug

        Merci?

        • Full Options

          Merci (français) = Merci (Farsi) aussi

          • Spectralbuttplug

            Ah okay so it is a farsi word too
            Thanks for the information

    • César H. Sandoval

      That was before the back-stabing lol

    • Alex

      Exactly my first thought. He’s just still really upset over it.
      Regardless if Kojima could’ve handled it better, he’s not a fan first and foremost if he can’t bring himself to play MGSV. He’s an ego-driven guy who was more a fan of himself as Snake than the actual games themselves. David’s contributions have always been huge and we all love his hard work, but these have always been Kojima games first and foremost.

      • moto hellogoto

        He’s not really missing much by skipping MGSV anyways. I love the previous games but I pretend mgsv isn’t canon. I pretend that MGSV is all just a dream that snake had while he was locked up in that cell. A very long, confounding dream that doesn’t make a lick of sense and you forget about it as soon as you wake up.

  • Mini gear

    ahhh… “debate never changes”

  • Full Options

    *Off-topic* Is it not the best video game tv commercial ever ?
    The overall tone is so hilarious.. For me, the best video game commercial ever. 😀
    [edit: sorry this is the long cut version, but can’t be embedded, can be seen only directly on youtube]

  • it’s funny to learn about this now since as some of you may remember i’ve said multiple times i would have loved to have Rusell as BB on TPP, but well, if he didn’t want to do it for Snake eater he probably wouldn’t take it for TPP…

  • Full Options

    I am always amazed by the capacity of the game press or the press in general to throw shit everywhere when they have nothing juicy to relate. Now Eurogamer, IGN, Kotaku, etc.. are all titling their article as a literal fight between Hideo and David.

    Instead of focusing on Kurt’s refusal to play Snake which is the real scoop here, they just keep agitating stinky subjects and craft artificial hatred between fellows that we appreciate.

    Anyways what’s cool is that even Hideo’s slightest fart is always covered world-wide and in real-time, Dolby Surround® Master THX 7.1. 😀

    At least his game promotion will be very easy. ;D

    • Kurt is a history, so it’s not really an interesting topic except for the Metal Gear fans out there on MGI/Reddit/MGF. DavidxHideo drama brings more people in to the discussion on these sites… Maybe Konami drama brings ppl too, but that is an old story.
      The thing is, Kojima said in the polygon interview that he wants to move forward. That is the reason why we still know nothing about KonamixHideo drama.
      Does not matter anymore and as you said, Hideo’s slightest fart is always covered world-wide and in real-time 😉 so yeah, new game is what so important right now.

      • Full Options

        Seeing what Konami are capable of, the clauses must be so heavy for Hideo to be gagged like that… Maybe CrimsonFox was right when he guessed Hideo banged the CEO’s wife or something (xD was so funny comment btw).

        One of the things that annoy me a lot is that we also probably missed a more complete making of MGSV because of this load of cr.p. Can you imagine more TPP dev back-stage and in full HD on youtube !? D.mn !

        If I was a Konami developer and a Kojima Sensei fan, I would find the idea of coding a great MGS without Hideo a prestigiously challenging journey.

        I am really curious about the next official MGS statement / plan from them. Hoping it won’t be again some kind of “Tada ! Look at our latest idea to look even more stupid than ever !”.

        I hope we will have some juicy Koji-updates this year, despite the early stage of dev of his next PSVR-system-seller title (ok, this last one was quite speculated, but looks plausible :D)!

    • JJBYACH

      It’s as MGS2 stated – the modern news is just mass proliferation of the same ideas until they become truth in the eyes of the masses – the Internet’s format as method of accessing a near limitless amount of online databases allows for this, it encourages this…The same BS is repeated over and over, with the Internet allowing it to grow and be preserved forever in an invulnerable omnipresent state. All this for the sake of exposure and traffic to their outlets.

      Nowadays, there is no such thing as gaming journalism. Journalism is collating evidence, making a picture out of it others may have missed and presenting an alternate world view or outlook on events. Speculating about the HideoxDavid split up without presenting any factually backed new/alternate perspective of it, is just the same as gossiping, and isn’t circulating any new ideas or advancing the discussion: it’s regressive and ultimately redundant.

      The sad thing is that attempts at actual gaming journalism is often censored (attempted) by publishers (Konami vs SuperBunnyHop and Jim Sterling) as an act of deterrence against the other outlets; who desperately need their pre-release information, previews, interviews and early review copies from big daddy publisher so they can’t get on his bad side, even if it for goes one of the the fundamental pillars of journalism: reporting the honest to God truth, no matter the cost. Most of the time those genuine attempts of journalism are lost among click bait crap, gossiping and/or just easily accessible information – it is much easier to click on an IGN article saying when Uncharted 4 is released when it is the first article out of hundreds to show up, than pre-emptively searching for the official sources of the information.

      Journalism is dead.

      • Full Options

        Yes, Metal Gear series have always been outstandingly instructive / educative. Always deeply and accurately backed on themes going from politics to science, and wisely surfing the limit between our history’s main-stream official versions and the more officious ones.

        Yet TV news networks were also out of their mind, and you are right, internet has become the version 2.0 of this plague propelling bull-shit at light-speed instead of becoming the ultimately powerful and federative tool it was supposed to be at first glance.

        I remember a quite eloquent video showing how the news networks dispatch the sooo 1:1 same sentence world-wide without properly checking their sources, sometimes intentionally.

        As another example, if we try to compare pertinence of search results in the late 90’s with the awful noise we get nowadays before reaching the info, we yet have another representation of how the information semantic can die if its support/medium is not properly used.

        True investigation journalism try to survive in this mess but it has become so hard for those valuable reporters to produce and sell their documents when everybody is that conditioned to stay focused on superficial subjects all their lives.

        But the humans needs to totally f.ck up in order to progress. Trial and error… The good news then, if this rule is true, is that we may witness huge progresses seeing how deep we all f.ckd up humanly and ecologically so far. ;D

        Let’s hope for future gens that things will get back to normal at some point (preferably asap). 😉

        • JJBYACH

          Yeah, when I had my daily look for new information on Final Fantasy XV, I was quite horrified when I saw this:
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/035b6486f104a49299a05e05b9ef64557975a494089415e630dc16219a509918.jpg
          I just typed “Final Fantasy XV” on google and went to the news tab and this showed up – all those articles hold the exact same information!

          I think one of the big societal and philosophical screw up people will take notice and will lead to inevitable progression is the Orwellian themes becoming more and more prevalent in our society – people semantically changing language to prevent certain meanings being meant, certain words being said: fat means healthy, tolerance means being intolerant, black means white, up means down and 2+2=5. Why is this logic even being considered as “truth”? Because it’s being said over and over and over again by the people with the biggest megaphones, on virtually all media possible; eventually people are being lambasted with so much nonsense it eventually becomes the truth for the sake of convenience. “You can’t say this!”, “You can’t say that!”. Yeah, you can. Just because a more apathetic person may use language to hurt others doesn’t mean it should be continually altered to the point of systematically destruction to prevent any misuse – that was the flaw in Skullfaces’ plan. As you said this is why MGS is so incredible, how deals with such complex themes by putting them in a very digestible format.

          “Words are what keep civilisation; our world alive”: Skullface tried to destroy language because it has the potential of destruction; the potential of causing pain if misused, the potential to cause pain to those who abuse it when their vehicle of control and abuse is taken away from them, but that alone doesn’t invalidate the system and dilute its intention as method to connect those to a nation and its people, or just connect people to each other through communication. God, I love MGS.

          • Full Options

            MGS is the most politically engaged series I happened to play with. Japaneses are making mangas for both adults and kids, the same goes for Kojima-san games.

            His habit of breaking the 4th wall is yet another hint about his true vision of arts. In opposition with simple “coin-operated-like” arcade experiences producers (who I love too), he belongs to people who truly want to pull this medium toward the highest levels.

            We always feel like really awaken philosophically, every times we finish one of his games. Standing like frozen with the dual-schock in our hands… by the awesomely deep experience we had. He’s a true philosopher and MGS is his legacy.

          • JJBYACH

            Yeah, can’t wait for his next game – able to do basically whatever he wants now, my mind can only imagine what he has in store for us.

          • Full Options

            If Sony plays it wisely, they have to unleash at least half a RS Games budget under the form of their studio’s dev time. They won’t take any risks even if they inject more since it clearly appeared also to possible new gamers, new-comers after the huge buzz/konami scandal that Kojima is a top-notch designer. Konami could not have better contributed to Hideo’s future by behaving how they did.
            The more SCEI will back him with funds or hereby studio resources, the faster he’ll pull up an according playable tribute to the love he receive from his fans. Like Kiefer stated at VGAs, “he never saw that devoted fans”. The reason is quite simple : “We never saw a game director that devoted to us, actually !?”

    • Whatever generates traffic. But yeah, it’s very annoying.

  • ADAMJENSEN13

    Its kinda understandable taht Kojima wanted Kurt Russell to play Snake because Snake looks the same like Kurt in the movie.
    I wonder how He would sound as Snake. Probably really cool.

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