Robin Atkin Downes talks about Kaz’ anger and vulnerability in Kojima Station interview

Kojima Productions Episode 5 is out now, and one of the highlights is an interview with Kaz’s voice and facial capture actor Robin Atkin Downes.

They played a video of Christopher Johns sitting down with Kazuhira Miller actor Robin Atkin Downes in LA. Chris asked questions sent in by fans while Robin was playing Ground Zeroes.


One fan asked whether there was a big difference between voice acting for a portable game and a home console game. But according to Robin, you are playing the same character, so there is not really a difference in that sense. But the facial capture technique used in MGSV brings a new dimension to the acting. “It’s like shooting a movie or a television show, where just subtle movements on the face read.” He added that he is very glad to see the industry going in this direction.

“Kaz is going to be hell bent on revenge, and it takes his character to a whole different level, and his relationship with Snake.” Robin Atkin Downes said. “It just feels really good as an actor to be bringing those emotions up.”


According to Robin Atkin Downes, Kaz’ anger in The Phantom Pain is more of a means to cover up his vulnerability. “There’s a lot of emotions going on.” he explained. “And it just seems to be covered up with that right now, because he can’t get in touch with them.” He did not want to give away too much.

Speaking of this, Robin remembered recording Kaz’ backstory for Peace Walker a few years ago. “I’m sort of telling this backstory and I found myself getting upset in the middle of it.” Robin Atkin Downes recalled. “It’s a very powerful moment for me, and very rare to have those types of situations happen recording a video game, and I think that’s a testament to the strength of Kojima’s characters.”

Of course the one question that kept coming up was how it felt to be ‘played like a damn fiddle’. Robin ensured it felt great. “You’re about to see some major music coming out of Kaz in the next game.” he teased. “Fiddling is just the beginning of it.”


“They played us like a damn fiddle!”

Also in this episode was the announcement that the Deja Vu and Jamais Vu are going multiplatform May 1st, free of charge. For more information, go here.

Then they played the video of Stefanie Joosten infiltrating Kojima Productions to find out more about the 3D scanning process used in Metal Gear Solid V. For more information, go here. Stefanie will be doing more of these reports in the future, so if you have any requests send them to Kojima Station.

After that they showed how to collects some of the XOF patches needed to unlock the Deja Vu and Jamais Vu missions, followed by some updated Ground Zeroes records, and Jackie did a speedrun through one of the game’s missions without using weapons.

After showing Robin Atkin Downes interview, the show wrapped up.

Source: Kojima Station Episode 5

  • Well at least we got to know how he feels being played like a damn fiddle!

    • Risev

      Thanks to me XD

      • Actually I asked that question as well lol.

        • Risev

          I’m pretty sure we all asked that question XD

  • Javier

    at min 51:08 appears my comment (sorry for my bad english)

    • ObsessedGeorge

      Go back to do your homework! 🙂 Just kidding!

  • ObsessedGeorge

    A lot of Phantom Pain teasers in there.

  • Bob Faget

    Noone asked him about how he felt about Hayter being replaced by some random drunk off the street?

    • César H. Sandoval

      Hahaha, even if someone asked, I’m sure they would never put “that” question in the interview.

      They have enough bad comments about MGSV already.

    • Spunge Munger

      Im still trying to work out why ppl are so angry about Big Boss having a different voice actor? I didnt particularly LIKE how they did it but at the same time I seem to be one of very few ppl who remember that Big Boss already had a different voice actor, at the end of MGS4.

      • Bob Faget

        Cause he was old as shit in that one.

        GZ takes place a few months after PW, it doesn’t even feel like the same character anymore because his voice changed so suddenly.

      • No Place For Hayter

        I can create a huge list of incredibly important reasons, but I will only address the one point you make in your comment and why Kojima is a hypocrite for changing the voice actor.

        In MGS4 Big Boss is incrdibly old and has had most of his body restored from parts of his clones and has been in a coma for a long time, and Kojima productions didn’t want Hayter talking to himself, because of these reasons the voice was changed, and none of these reasons were apart of why Hayter was replaced for MGSV, and they didn’t even use Richard Doyle they replaced Hayter with a big hollywood actor. Also you really can’t use one cutscene in one game to override three whole games of voice acting by Hayter.

        Why is Kojima a hypocrite for replacing Hayter? does anyone remember when the Japanese voice actor for Roy Campbell died? and Kojima said that character would no longer be in the games out of respect for the voice actor and because the voice actor was the character and could not be replaced? and now Kojima replaces the main characters voice with no respect at all for Hayter. He goes as far as too never put Campbell in another game because the Japanese voice actor dies. the character in the series is still alive and the English voice actor is still alive and he decides to never have the character appear again because the Japanese voice actor died, and yet he can easily replace the main characters voice, and whether you like his voice acting or not he is easily the most iconic voice actor in gaming, and Kojima replaces him with a big hollywood actor without any respect to the original voice actor himself.

        • Bob Faget

          Pretty much this.

        • Janeo

          Doyle did great in mgs4 and other games he was in but he really wouldn’t the role of big boss in this game. I wouldn’t say he is a hypocrite for what he did an actor dying is a completely different situation plus big boss is a far more important character then Campbell maybe if akio died it would be situation but let’s never hope we have to find out. Kojima replaced hayter but it wasn’t his job to handle it in a respectful way that up to konami and they could have handled it better.

          • No Place For Hayter

            Yeah Doyle did do a really good job in MGS4. Though I prefer what they did for the Japanese version of MGS4 because it is so much cooler and emotional and makes way more sense.

            The reason it makes Kojima a hypocrite is not because of whether or not the actor dies he is a hypocrite because he chose not to have Campbell ever show up again in MGS out of respect for the voice actor and because he couldn’t replace the voice of the character, and yet for MGSV Kojima has shown zero respect for Hayter and has replaced him for no good reason, which is completely contrary to his his actions and thoughts when it came to the Japanese voice actor of Campbell, and that is why his actions are hypocritical.

            Even if it wasn’t Kojima’s job to handle it in a respectful way, in my book that doesn’t give him free reign to completely ignore the situation and pretend like Hayter never existed in the first place. Whether Kojima was responsible for how it was handled or not, what he did (and mostly what he did not do) is still rude and disrespectful. Kojima could have fixed the situation when ever he wanted and had many opportunities to acknowledge Hayter and Hayter’s respect and devotion to the role and the character, but Kojima did nothing to fix the situation and he never once mentioned Hayter or any of his respect, devotion, or his 15 years of voice acting, and instead Kojima opted to ignore the situation, showing zero care or respect to the original voice actor who had been voicing the main characters (excluding Raiden of course) for 15 years.

          • Janeo

            Well I have been over this whole thing for a while I loved hayter performance in every game but I also love Keifers performance so I’m fine with this whole thing. Your right though I think people would have felt a lot better if kojima or at least someone from konami thanked hayter for his work over the years. The way hayter has handled this though shows what a good guy he is, he was a little upset at the start and made the new coke joke but I have seen interviews with him after that and he isn’t saying anything bad about the game or the people involved with it, he isn’t trying tell people not to play it he even said the games are so above everything else when they come out that people won’t will be able to enjoy without him or something like that. I really do hope he gets to come back if they ever use solid snake again

        • Datguy8923

          Campbell has to make a return at some point, especially if Kojima decides to indeed redo MG1 and MG2.

          And I suspect he will redo those games because I’m subscribing to the theory that MGS TPP will retcon both of those games to the max.

          • No Place For Hayter

            Kojima doesn’t have to retcon the first MG game because the game doesn’t fit the story anymore and to be honest it pretty broken as far as story goes, however the second MG game is still possible to retcon but would be incredibly hard let alone retconing it to the max, Kojima does do a good deed of retconing but the only time it went over kill was MGS4 so I doubt a game with such a specific story and emotions to tell such as MGSV will do a whole of of retconing, after all it is hard to retcon future events with past events.

            Campbell is not in the first MG game so Kojima could still remake that game, but if they remake MG2 it will be without Kojima directing because Kojima is not bringing Campbell back, what Kojima did was not a temporary hold on the character but was a complete removal of him from further games in the series because he didn’t want to replace the voice actor and if Kojima brought the character back he would have to find a new voice actor which would be the opposite of of what he said, I can’t see Kojima bringing Campbell while he is still directing the games.

        • Spunge Munger

          I didnt hear that the voice actor died, was that before or after Peacewalker which had Roy Campbell in it?

          I didnt say I was all for the choice either, im just wondering why ppl are making more of a fuss about the change rather than HOW it was done. Because the former is all that seems to be covered by all the gaming news sites rather than the latter.

        • Ricardo Oe

          Secret sources KONAMI office; told me that Hayter triumphant return in Phantom Pain … sharing the action with Sutherland …

          I think it will be after implanting cells nanotechnology in Snake Laboratory experiments in mother base.

      • César H. Sandoval

        We are way more angry about HOW they replaced Hayter than the fact they actually did it, even if most of the reasons for the change are pretty much BS.

        I still think that the correct way to do it was A: Making the change after the 9 years coma, because it makes no sense that BB’s voice changes in a month, and B: Replacing him with an stablished Voice Actor in the franchise, like Richard Doyle (MGS4 BB) or John Cygan (Solidus, the “perfect” clone of BB) instead of some celebrity like Sutherland.

        • David Hayter

          I agree. Kojima could made everyone happy if he had Hayter voicing BB in GZ and Sutherland for TPP. That would be perfect imo I think the fanbase adapted Sutherland too fast but it’s just me i guess (
          Respect to David Hayter you will be missed!!!!

        • Spunge Munger

          Ah yeah I get ya man and I agree, im gonna miss Hayter too. Hayter is Snake as much as Kevin Conroy is Batman in my book. I just think that theres a lot of ppl who have misplaced their hate for the change and instead of blaming Kojima or Konami as a whole a lot of hate is actually being directed towards Sutherland himself.

          Its not like Keifer walked into Konami all smug and said “your king has arrived, drop this Hayter person now”. The studio decided to be very sneaky about it and hire Sutherland behind Hayters back and not even call to let him know why.

          Its gonna be messed up trying to get our heads around this 1-month voice change canon idea yeah, but its time to focus hate on where it deserves to be so that it never happens again.

    • Datguy8923

      People are still salty about Sutherland?

      I personally think he’s better as Big Boss than David Hayter was. To be honest, Big Boss should’ve never been voiced by Hayter to begin with. Especially since Ocelot in MGS4 revealed that they were imperfect clones, and Solidus, being the closest to Big Boss in terms of genes, sounded completely different. Could Kojima have done it better? Of course he could have, but you can say that about a lot of things too. And Hayter actually reacted unprofessionally too. He’s a VA, not a salaried person on KojiPro’s payroll. VA’s don’t have as much clout in job security. At least he got over it and moved onto other things. Maybe perhaps his fans should accept it and move on as well.

  • Ricardo Oe

    Kaz is the guy…

  • Kunawaro

    That is not kaz, that’s Campbell, why people keep saying that’s kaz?????

    • Bob Faget

      …Because it is?

      You can clearly see the missing arm and the leg prosthesis.

    • BigBossWantsYou

      That is Kaz. Kojima said that Campbell won’t be in anymore Metal Gear games after 4.

    • No Place For Hayter

      For the same reason people where calling the kid in the cage Chico.

      • kunawaro

        So now Kaz is not blond and looks a HELL of a lot like Campbell…????

        • assdf

          man you are crazy xD

        • No Place For Hayter

          I’m really not willing to write up an essay of points just to prove the obvious to someone, if it was possible to convince you that it is obviously Kaz would have enough knowledge and enough curiosity to look up things a lot more and right off the bat know it’s Kaz.

          If you want to think it’s Kaz go ahead, but don’t blame me when I lump you in as part of the ‘tarded crowd that thought Kaz was Campbell’ just like I put people who thought Chico was Solid Snake in the ‘tarded crowd who thought Chico was Solid Snake’

    • Gano
  • Anoop


    These Guys are awesome¬!

  • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

    Great video-especially with Stefanie Joosten’s part 🙂 I hope to see more info and more of those Infiltration Missions soon.

  • MrVux007

    rly cant wait to find out why did Big Boss and kaz separate ….their friendship was priceless

    • Bob Faget

      Still hoping that the final boss battle is between Big Boss and Miller.

      Just two old friends having one last CQC fight on top of Outer Heaven

      • Janeo

        That would be to heartbreaking I love kaz I don’t want to kick the crap out of him plus he has lost an arm and a leg so wouldn’t be that hard. I know kaz and big boss will most likely split up by the end of the game but even when they do I don’t think they will be able to really fight one another like I don’t see kaz being able to shoot big boss they respect eachother to much but I guess we don’t know how much they will both change

        • asdf

          remember that somehow he is going to get his limbs back!

          • No Place For Hayter

            Kaz doesn’t get replacements for his limbs, unlike Big Boss, he keeps his limbs lost and the only thing he uses is a prosthetic lower leg to walk, even then he most likely still needs a cane to get around.

  • Shalashaska

    -“Robin’s gonna be around for a long time.”
    -“Oh really?”


    • The Solid Grape

      Might be a reference to the Hayter situation…….

      • Shalashaska


        I was thinking more along the line of “Metal Gear” and “Metal Gear 2” remakes. Robin’s only major role has been Kaz. Kaz was in Metal Gear 2, and could probably be retconned to the first Metal Gear in a remake. Unless they want to keep him doing “nameless soldier” roles that he did for Metal Gear Solid 3.

  • MortifiedPenguin

    Someone needs to make a Kaz remix of the fiddle part of Devil Went Down to Georgia.

  • Janeo

    I really like casual interviews like this robin seems like a good guy who cares about his role. I love it when actors actually really enjoy playing a characters

  • ٍShyne Gli

    Am I the only one who thinks that Robin resembles Paul Eiding (Campbell)??

  • Panda’s Gaming

    Did they answer a question by CpmStudios? I can’t watch this just yet 🙁

  • César H. Sandoval

    You know, the tape in PW where Kaz tells you his family history is amazing, sad and really moving, and really make you care about him as a character and about his role in PW and MGSV, I’m glad rhe actor had a chance to talk about it.

    • Datguy8923

      Yeah it was touching, but then he goes on about this peace this and peace that, and how Japan became totally peaceful and peace peace peace.

      Glad Big Boss is more of “peace is cool, but I won’t hold my breath for it” dude.

  • SolidKenny87

    I’ve been playing MGS1 today.

    Liquid Miller: “You can have regrets if you want to. It’s only natural. But you can’t keep attacking yourself for things that happened in the past. That road leads to madness… believe me.”

    There is a 99.999998% chance that Eli is a young Liquid Snake. Perhaps this is his observation of Miller in TPP?

    • Invader_skoodge

      McDonell Miller….I wonder why he had that name in MGS 1.

      • No Place For Hayter

        Probably because of what will happen between Kaz and Big Boss and the events of TPP and the fall of outer heaven Kaz changed his name to separate himself from all of that and so that nobody would know it was him……… maybe. It is a good question which will probably be answered directly or indirectly in TPP.

  • Machine Gun Kid

    I only want peace for my country…i cant believe we ever fell for that cover story

  • Schmojima

    Guys, I know this is totally off topic, but I will ask it anyway since it is kinda slow on the mgs-news front right now:

    I’m really enjoying mgs GZ on my PS3, BUT, there is one thing I just can’t get right…the normal cqc throws!
    There, I said it and I’m not ashamed! 😀

    Can somebody please give me a hint on how to do this on PS3?

    I always grab the guards instead of throwing them and it seems to be sheer luck, if I grab ’em or throw ’em.

    This really bothers me, because cqc is one of the best things in mgs and I loved doing it in 4 or 3…It’s making me sick, that they made it this imprecise…(at least for me)

    And btw. I have no problems with other techniques like disarming….

    Cheers, and thanks for your help! ^_^

    • Kevin Kerr Music

      Just make sure to have the left stick tilted in the direction you wanna throw them. and hold in the R1 button (or whatever your CQC button is set to). It may help to rapidly tap the button while jolting the stick in the direction. Goodluck =)

      • Schmojima

        Thank you!
        I have to try harder now I guess, still can’t it get right…

        • Kevin Kerr Music

          It’s odd! People usually have the problem of grabbing! xD

          • Schmojima

            xDD…yeah, i really dunno….

  • ObsessedGeorge

    Ludo writes a death metal song for Metal Gear. I’m a metalhead, but that is weird and funny. It’s at 1:24:00 mark.

  • Zero

    Last news 11 days ago? What’s wrong???

    • ObsessedGeorge

      There haven’t been any worth writing news l believe, besides, give him a break. He put a lot of work these past few months with the news flowing daily. He deserves a break after all this. Thanks Nyx for your efforts.

      • Schmojima

        thinking the same!

      • Zero

        Dude i was not wondering about Nyxus or complaining about his work, i was wondering why are there no news about MGS V recently lol Atleast i have your GZ pics haha

        • ObsessedGeorge

          Oh, sorry, l thought you were wondering why he stopped writing articles. I misread your post. Hahaha, yeah, dude you are getting all the exclusives! Although, last night l uploaded 3 other screens to my Twitter via PS4 share. Good ones. 🙂

          • Zero

            No worries bro 🙂 Hope at E3 we are getting tons of news

          • ObsessedGeorge

            We’ll get a new trailer that’s for sure.

    • Vacation. 😛 But there is a news update posted just now.

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