David Hayter on cancelled Metal Gear fan remake: ‘It was really fun to go back and do a young Snake again’

In an online meeting taking place several days ago between various people behind the unofficial Metal Gear remake, including the game’s producer Ian Ratcliffe and the composer, several aspects of the project were discussed. Also present for the largest part of the conversation was none other than David Hayter, voice of Snake, who also lent a hand to the project. They looked back at how the project came to be, and how it eventually ended, and they talked a bit about Big Cake Games’ (as they are now called) new project.

Hayter explained how he got involved in the project, and that he actually approached the team himself, after many fans on Twitter suggested that it would be cool if he could do the voice over.

“I’m big into Twitter, and you know, I have a fairly significant base of people who only seem to live and breathe Metal Gear, and so when this came up, you know, they instantly started saying: oh, wouldn’t it be cool if we got David Hayter and so on and so forth, and I found Ian [Ratcliffe], and I just sent him a note and said: look, if you want me to do it, I’m happy to do it. So that’s how it happened.”

The dialogue in the trailer was all that was recorded so far of David Hayter.

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When talking about the trailer, David Hayter mentioned that one thing he found particularly cool was to go back and do a young Snake again. The interview asked if Hayter has the range to do different ages. “If I want to do a young voice, I pitch it up, I put a little more energy into it, I pretend like I still believe in things, and that sort of thing. If I need to be older, certainly for Old Snake, I roughed it up a bit.”

Hayter also gave a small tour around his office, where he has a MGS3 Calorie Mate, and figures of the Shagohod, Old Snake and Naked Snake.

To watch the whole conversation, go here.

Source: Pursuitery Geekout

  • zblacktt

    This guy will always be Snake to the fans of this series. No matter what Kojima thinks.

    • Zlatan

      *Solid

    • BigBoss_88

      Here we go again, I’m predicting a lot of different opinions on this thread about Hayter etc. I don’t think you can talk on the behalf of every fan of the series, but I think most agree with you. He will always be the voice of Solid Snake for me. But I’m ok with changes in the games and a part of me is glad that Big Boss has a different voice.

      So does me being glad of this voice change make me a non-fan of the series?
      Anyway, I hope Hayter gets another chance in the future if there will be Kojima’s own remake of Metal Gear after some years. Because if they do it I want both Snakes to be voiced by a different actor :).

      • zblacktt

        I’m not going to, but since I was there buying MGS1 in 1998 and have been DEEP into this every since. Still owning every single game to this day the day it came out. I just speak about know more then just playing it. I’ve followed this game into real life by doing a lot of reading and watching interviews for the last decade and a half plus. So at the end of the day, please have your opinion. As I was not looking to change that at all.

        • BigBoss_88

          Alrighty 🙂 btw I hope I didn’t sound offensive in my post. That wasn’t my intention.

          P.S.1998 for me too ^-^, one of the best gaming years indeed.

          • zblacktt

            Awesome brother. We all care about this game I’m sure. I’ve only had a very few “favorites” in all my years of gaming and this was the second one. First being Zelda 1 in 1986.

          • BigBoss_88

            Yes of course we all care about this <3! I think I got really hooked in gaming when got PS1 and games like MGS1, RE1 and FF7. Although my earlier console Sega Saturn was awesome, I didn't play it so much like PS.

            Zelda is an rpg series I'd love to play someday if get the chance, but I've never really managed to do that for some reason :C…which I'm kinda ashamed of lol. I've heard it's a fantastic game series though and has huge fanbase also ;D. I'm more of a Final Fantasy player myself ever since 7. Here's hoping 15 would return it to being good again.

          • zblacktt

            Is the 88 year you were born?

          • BigBoss_88

            Yeah it is ;D, 1988 seems to be also the year Metal Gear was released for NES in Europe. Which perhaps means, that it must’ve been my destiny to become MGS addict and Kojima worshipper o_O…

          • Zelda is more of an action/adventure, but genres are always debatable. Anyway, it’s an awesome series, you should indeed give it a try sometime.

          • BigBoss_88

            I see :), sure I’ll try get my hands on them. There must be pretty many Zelda games out so far lol ;).

          • The three best games in the series (but that’s personal of course): Ocarina of Time, The Wind Waker and Link’s Awakening DX. The best one of the last few years is A Link Between Worlds.

    • psychomantis18

      Who went and made you voice of the MGS fans?
      In Kojima we trust

      • César H. Sandoval

        It’s better if you don’t go to any extreme about this, Kojima is great, but he’s not infallible.

        • psychomantis18

          Who said he’s infallible?

          • César H. Sandoval

            “In Kojima we trust” kinda implies he can do no wrong, sorry if I’m putting words on your mouth, didn’t mean to upset you.

            Still, in my opinion Sutherland did such a boring and lame job in GZ, I’d have liked it better if they went with Richard Doyle or John Cygan for the replacement voice instead… I hope He does a better job in The Phantom Pain.

          • psychomantis18

            It means that he has earned my trust and I was making a pun.
            Also, I really liked Sutherland as Big Boss and would rate him as my fav voice of the character behind Hayter. Doyle was brilliant in MGS4 but i’m unsure as to whether he would have the chops to deliver a great BB performance throughout the entire duration of a game.

  • Shalashaska Has Landed..

    Wow. I always knew there were similarities but it’s creepy how that picture with David Hayter’s face and MGS4 “Young” Snake’s face look strikingly identical lol.

    Anyway, I will never understand why his fans roar and refuse to let Big Boss have his own unique voice associated to his character alone, to the point that they announce boycotting on this ambitious project while screaming in all caps across social media. (Even though I’ve seen many people that said they were boycotting, still purchased Ground Zeroes just to complain some more lol)

    I’m in agreement that Hayter is the definitive Solid Snake. Konami seems to think so too, judging off Quinton Flynn’s recent interview. Hayter started with Solid Snake in 1998, and voiced him until Solid Snake’s elderly death story-wise. The character’s voice is etched with Hayter from adult to senior.

    However, even with the previous 3 installments, Big Boss was established to acquire a different voice. I just can’t understand why people keep saying “He’s irreplaceable as Big Boss. He’s the essence of Big Boss. He *is* Big Boss, etc”, while having no problems with Richard Doyle’s involvement? I don’t think Richard Doyle agrees with it. I’m quite sure Sutherland doesn’t agree with that, and as of right now, I’m more than positive Kojima/Konami doesn’t agree either lol.

    • Rusty Shackelford

      What happened in that Quinton Flynn interview?

      • Shalashaska Has Landed..

        He did an interview on this thing called Afterbuzz TV. Quinton Flynn said he initially thought Hayter was losing his job as Snake to Sutherland, and thus he participated in that fan-made petition to bring him back as Snake, under the notion of believing Hayter was out of the MGS series, but Konami told him that isn’t true and he will still be Snake (Likely Solid Snake), whereas they decided they wanted Sutherland for Big Boss.

        • That is interesting. Do you have a link?

          • Shalashaska Has Landed..

            I’ll look for it. Give me a second.

            Edit: Here it is. Starts at 28:00. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d373xZ6Yz_k

          • Oh right, that interview. Not sure what he means there actually.

          • Shalashaska Has Landed..

            Besides the Snake controversy tidbit, the entire interview itself was interesting. I had no idea he did that many voice roles in anime, especially with characters I’m familiar with. I also didn’t know that they’re sometimes not allowed to prepare in some projects. I always assumed voice actors in whichever genre (Anime, VG, etc) had a certain amount of time to feel out the script. Guess that’s not the case at all. I never really had an opinion on Quinton as a person, but views on our medium and other stuff in this interview definitely made me see him in a shining light.

          • I hear his voice in other games every now and then. He even did two roles in Mass Effect 2.

          • Shalashaska Has Landed..

            Lol I didn’t know that either. I’m starting to think he’s highly underrated.

          • César H. Sandoval

            He does an amazing NicCage voice LMAO

          • Zlatan

            cool interview, i really like the things quinton mentions and especially the ‘or is it all for money?’ thing. never hated raiden but now somehow i like him even more 😀

        • Rusty Shackelford

          DAY MADE

          Although I wish Konami had told David that.

        • No Place For Hayter

          I don’t think Konami told Quinton anything, it was the fans that informed him of the difference between the characters, there has been no official information as to the role (if any) Hayter will have for the rest of the series. I mean for all we know they could retcon Big Boss’s voice in MGSV with any flashbacks.

          P.S. “for all we know” = worst case scenario.

          P.P.S I love how the Afterbuzz TV guy responds to Quintons “must be more to the story that none of us really know” he assumes he means in game and Kojima, lol, Quinton meant behind the scenes with money, agents, and influence, as in we will never know the whole story behind the choices made, not in game story or trolling, lol.

          • Shalashaska Has Landed..

            I disagree. I think he was informed with Konami, simply because he was speaking with conviction from a debriefed position. Us MGS fans (the same 50/50 split fanbase on this whole controversy) are in no condition, to impose a revelation to a contrary, on the status of a MGS VA co-worker’s future involvement for a character in the series, to another MGS VA co-worker.

            He said he was puzzled with this whole thing in the beginning. First he said he initially thought Sutherland was replacing Hayter as Snake, and immediately broke the ice with, “which is not true”. He said it was explained to him that he’s simply replacing him as Big Boss and David will still be Snake.

            Now, I’m not saying this is an inevitability. Anything can change within time. However – a co-leading voice actor, making his own expression of inevitable events, on behalf of what the “fans” said to him, is entirely silly to me. Especially in the case for him to express it freely as if it’s a certainty within an interview.

          • No Place For Hayter

            The only thing he expressed with certainty in the video is that Hayter was replaced as Big Boss, not that he still voices Solid Snake.

            He has already has express his opinion on behalf of what the fans said to him, remember he was told about the petition by fans and he supported it because of information from the fans.

            We can agree to disagree, but what do you see as a more likely scenario.

            A) Quinton supports petition because fans point it out to him, than more fans point out to him that he has not lost his voice acting role but only just the Big Boss character, and than Quinton realizes “oh it is just Big Boss’s voice that is being replaced he will still be Snake”, the whole who is snake has Quinton confused, because both Solid Snake and Big Boss are considered “Snake” but fans who only connect “Snake” with Solid Snake told Quinton, “nope he still voices Solid Snake just not Big Boss”.

            Quinton is still very confused and unsure about the whole thing in the interview, and he was simply expressing his opinion based on the information he has, he wasn’t stating fact just expressing further knowledge on the subject.

            B) Quinton supports the petition, and than Konami informs him that he was only Replaced as Big Boss but he still voices Solid Snake.

            I find this very unlikely, why would Konami inform him of that information at all? let alone allow him to share it with everyone? also in the interview Quinton Simply calls Solid Snake “Snake”, if it was an official notice from Konami I’m sure they would get the names right and say he would still voice “Solid Snake”, using only the term “Snake” when referring to a single Snake seems like a misleading fan thing to do. I would have a very hard time believing a company would contact someone over signing the petition and talking about it, let alone Konami, the company that does not inform anyone of anything suddenly tells Quinton about the difference in characters? that is fan nit-picking that is in no way what a company would inform someone of.

          • Shalashaska Has Landed..

            Option B, of course. A lot of time has passed since the Q1 2013 (March). Why would he be forbidding to share that tidbit? I don’t see how it should be some sort of secret – when Hayter not voicing Big Boss has happened before.

            He also wasn’t the only VA to believe Hayter was losing his job as Snake around that time frame. Even Christopher Randolph who’s active with MGSV, lobbied for Hayter to keep his job. Same with Debi Mae West and Jennifer Hale. They were all in the social circle of supporting Hayter to keep his employment with MGS.

            Fast forward til now: The only thing Quinton expressed uncertainty about in this interview, was his feelings on Sutherland at the helm of Big Boss in the expense of Hayter’s involvement.

            These things go hand-in-hand. I’ve always stressed that not being reprised for one installment, doesn’t make you excluded from another installment. In Hayter’s case, he’s had the luxury with juggling two main separate characters, simultaneously within the same lore. Thus, he has more of a workaround.

            I’m not saying Quinton was stating a fact, because as I said earlier, anything can obviously change within time, especially when it comes to creative integrity, but him expressing this with a firm belief that Hayter is still Snake(I didn’t see any confusion when making that statement), just means he should be given the benefit, and credibility, that the briefing on his part wasn’t sourced by the same divided fanbase, giving him an account on Hayter’s future status with another character.

            I also think you’re being extremely harsh on Konami, solely because of Hayter personally tagging them first, and not the other way around. These things happened before the public knowledge of a new voice for Snake went viral. He even made an informal Twitter Poll to his fans before GDC 2013 happened, asking how people would feel if he wasn’t Snake anymore, and tweeted the results to Konami.

            It’s not below them to enlighten someone of a situation. At IGN: Up At Noon, Hayter announced that motion capture was one of the reasons why he wasn’t in it – which the lunch itself happened before the public knew of Hayter’s exclusion, and 1 month before the announced revelation of the motion capture as the driving force for MGSV via Pre E3 2013. He wasn’t forbidden to share that tidbit. Why should Quinton be forbidden to share what he was told?

          • No Place For Hayter

            I was mainly refering to the information that Hayter would still be voicing Solid Snake, not the fact that he will not be voicing Big Boss, if Konami told Quinton that “Hayter still voices Solid Snake” and Quinton told everyone it would be a pretty big thing, because why would Konami feel the need to say something like that at all? Like you said the fact that he is no longer voicing Big Boss isn’t news at all, but if Konami told Quinton Hayter still voiced Solid Snake, that is something new and is a confirmation none of us have had, and it is pretty unnecessary unless they have future plans including said information, and if they did they would surely not share it with a voice actor who was for the petition and is in no way connected to that information or project/projects. How did Konami know that Quinton didn’t know the difference between Solid Snake and Big Boss? to get that information and explain it to Quinton you would need to have some sort of discussion, and I’m sure Konami wouldn’t contact Quinton and start a casual conversation about the whole thing with “Why are you for the petition?” and going from there to learn that he didn’t know the difference between Big Boss and Solid Snake.

            P.S. I have always disliked Konami, what happened has only effected my opinion towards Kojima, I dislike Konami just as much as I did before.

          • Shalashaska Has Landed..

            Ah, alright. I understand you, kind sir.

            I wouldn’t think it’d be such a huge or shocking revelation. Hayter did a commercial for IGN awhile back, promoting the Legacy collection while announcing himself as the voice of Snake – and he was still used as Solid Snake in both MGS1 & MGS2 DGNs. Those were newly released, coppled with the LC, months after news of his exclusion from MGSV. Just saying, Hayter returning as Solid Snake in the future shouldn’t really be such of a shock factor. One installment =/= fired. I didn’t see much of a shock felt around the world, after Kevin Conroy personally said he would be voicing in the next Arkham Game, while Roger Craig Smith was doing Origins, after the backlash of Conroy not being used for Origins.

          • No Place For Hayter

            True, I could be over bloating the thing, by assuming that Hayter still voicing Solid Snake to be something bigger than it actually would be, I’m still an option A kind of guy, but I see the possibility and what you mean, if Konami sees it as nothing they would have no trouble saying something like that to Quinton.

            P.S. I don’t think I have ever done such large exchanges with someone before, lol.

          • Shalashaska Has Landed..

            Lol. Yeah man. We’re both just passionate as all hell about this series. =)

            Now if only we could somehow use our powers for evil.

          • No Place For Hayter

            Oh we will, when MGSV-TPP releases we will.

    • No Place For Hayter

      I find Troy Baker to be an excellent middle man (much to my surprise), but what shocks me is the fact that they have a middle man, I mean I most I can think of two voices for a human, 1) before puberty, and 2) after puberty, even though I really like Troy’s performance when I see more than two voice actors for a character I’m like ?_?

      • If that is the case, Ocelot in MGS3 should have been voiced by Patric Zimmerman. But that would have been pretty strange. 😛 I believe your voice does chance as you get older.

        • No Place For Hayter

          That it where the two voice limit comes in, even though it was after puberty, they had a young voice and an older voice, like you said you can’t have Ocelot running around as a young guy talking like Patric, lol. Even though I really like Troy’s performance as Ocelot they could have easily used Patric without having to assign another voice to the character, maybe, lol, Ocelot is more of a grey area than any other character because Patric gives him such an old western voice, but I’m sure he could tone down the age when need be.

          When it comes to voice actors and characters you really have to look at each circumstance, and you can’t assign rules to follow because like you said it isn’t as simple as “before puberty and after” but as drastic changes go that is the most drastic because of the short amount of time in which it changes the voice, but I personally believe you don’t constantly need more voice actors to represent different stages in someones life, it makes no sense to me, your character aging? get the same voice actor, but get him to voice it differently, after all he is A) the voice of the character, not of that characters 40’s and someone else is his 50’s, and B) they are a VOICE ACTOR, they are not bums you pulled that can’t talk, they act with their voice they can change it and adjust it, it is their job to have a manipulative voice, so use that without sacrificing too much of the character to many different voices instead of just one or two.

          • Yeah, good point. But the decision to go with Troy was probably not only his voice, but also how similar his face is to the Ocelot character. Since they use facial capture now, that has come into play for this game as well.

          • No Place For Hayter

            Yeah, they made a good choice.

          • Venom Snake

            Exactly, the same reason they replaced Hayter with Kiefer, they wanted MGSV to be more focused on Subtle Emotions, on Complete Acting!

          • No Place For Hayter

            If only I could call what Kiefer was doing any sort of acting, *long sigh*, the people who love Kiefers performance must live in such a nice world.

          • Janeo

            Kind if seems like you never even gave Keifer a chance, most people seem to like his performance. I don’t think you would have liked his performance no matter how well he played big boss because you just miss hayter.

          • No Place For Hayter

            I am in no way that kind of person, I gave Ocelots new voice actor a chance and I loved the new voice, I don’t trust Ludvig Forssell yet, but I am giving him a chance with the music to impress me, Kiefers judgement *thunder* has not yet been rendered, as he didn’t really say anything in Ground Zeroes, so I can’t make a full decision yet, but what I have seen has been really bad.

            I am in no way a biased piece of trash that would stoop so low as to simply disregard another’s work simply because I miss and or would prefer another, and please do not assume me to be. just because I don’t share the opinion of “Kiefers voice work is good” doesn’t make me in any way biased towards anything, it is just my opinion.

            “most people seem to like his performance. I don’t think you would have
            liked his performance no matter how well he played big boss because you
            just miss hayter.” So just because i don’t share the opinion of “most people” makes my opinion invalid and biased? I take great offense to that, and ask that you don’t assume people who fight for a different opinion is not biased or is in anyway such a piece of shit to treat someones work in a game as pointless and trash simply because they would prefer something else.

            P.S. I know you never called my opinion biased, but if I were to hate Kiefers work simply because I miss Hayter that would be a biased opinion (I love Hayters voice work but he is not god, I would not say no to anything else after losing him simply because we lost him, I’m not three years old and running a fit simply because I don’t have my favorite toy), and you are only stating how it seems to you, but the way you worded it leaves little to no room for discussion because it is simply how you currently see it. you could have asked questions instead of just making a comment like that, I would not have taken offense to a question.

          • Janeo

            I’m sorry about offending you that wasn’t my intention. I wasn’t trying to say your opinion is invalid I was just wondering if you gave Keifer a chance because I know you are still unhappy about hayter not being in the game. I think you’re crazy for not liking his performance I thought it was amazing but I guess that’s the way opinions work.

          • No Place For Hayter

            I was thinking about my comment about 10 minutes ago thinking maybe I was a bit harsh and read a bit much into your comment, so sorry about reading too much into it.

            Even though I don’t like what I have heard from Kiefer so far, I’m giving him a chance considering GZ is not much of a chance, I know MGSV-TPP will be amazing and if I judged TPP by what I saw in GZ as far as plot, dark themes, and characters go I would never play TPP, so it wouldn’t be fair for anyone if I judged anything from GZ. In a weird way I am looking to hearing Kiefer just to see how he will portray all of that character and emotion and to see how well he does.

          • Venom Snake

            The point is that if Big Boss should sound like a Specific Snake, that is Solidus and not Solid, since Solidus is the PERFECT Clone, and you can’t deny that Kiefer sounds A LOT like Solidus Snake!

          • No Place For Hayter

            Actually, I don’t believe Kiefer sounds like Cygan.

          • Venom Snake

            I believe he does, way more then David Hayter does for sure!

          • Venom Snake

            All i can say is that Hideo Changed A LOT of The Cast so that the Movie Lovers (i’m a Movie lover too, not just a Player) would find it it easy to relate to the Characters, by having them sound less Over The Top and more Realistic!

            For example Movie fans who never played or herd of Metal Gear find Kiefer Pottray of Big Boss much in to the Character then David Hayter Spectacular Over The Top performance!

            MGSV is basically a Reinvention for the Series, from the Cinematography to the Gameplay, from it becoming Multiplatform PC Included, to Episodic Structure of the Story!

          • No Place For Hayter

            Unfortunately I don’t like or agree with such an approach, not because it changes things, but with how it changes things. Unfortunately by taking this approach a lot of realistic and cool things have been left in the dust, like a proper realistic health/healing system, and guards who are psychic and are connected with each so instead of using a radio they just think it and the base goes into alert. I am a movie fanatic, and I hate his hollywood approach, (I can get behind his realistic approach if he actually was more inclined to have more realistic systems instead of being selective of what is realistic and whats not to the point where we are left with bad game mechanics that replace excellent ones that were there before and only lessons the realism, immersion, and fun when replaced with what they are now) not starting a Hayter discussion here, but I’m sure we can all agree that there is a lot wrong with not just dumping Hayter the way they did but choosing Kiefer instead of someone already fitted with the character like Doyle, I mean we still have yet to get a legitimate reason as to why they replaced the voice of snake.

            P.S. The episodic story and a lot of the gameplay is built off of and was done in Peace Walker.

          • Well this is personal but you could argue that the importance of the facial capture (and the acting skills required for this) are a legitimate reason to choose Kiefer. Doyle is probably a little too old for the role of Snake at this stage in his life.

          • Venom Snake

            Dude, don’t forget that Hideo always wanted to make Movies, and with Fox Engine he is living his dream, let him to whatever he wants, is his Franchise, he always made games for him.

            I’m not a Fan of his Moves, i don’t agree with them, but i i was Hideo i would do the same

      • Venom Snake

        Troy Baker would also be a Perfect Realistic Decoy Octopus with his Acting range, i mean the Man is able to Record a Conversation between Batman Joker Two Face and Robin by himself in a Room, he would be able to be Decoy Octopus for real, he would be able to temporarily replace any MGS Male Character including Snake, and still sound and act almost identical, identical enough for us to not notice the difference, same as how we didn’t notice that Troy Baker Voice was coming trough who we tough was Black Mask mouth in the Beginning of Arkham Origins, a thing that made that Game worth Playing twice for the Intro Only to see the moments that almost blew Joker Cover, like an accidental laugh.

        So what would you want more from a Decoy Octopus?

      • Venom Snake

        Even David Hayter voice sounds totally different in MGS1 compared to MGS: Twin Snake, so your Voice does change!

        • No Place For Hayter

          He is a voice actor he could produce the same sounding voice for most his life if he wanted, his snake voice is not his normal voice, the reason his snake voice for both games sounds different is because he made them so, not because his voice was changing, as I have talked about with Nyxus below though things do change and you can’t apply rules to follow with characters voices, and these people are voice actors it is their job to use their voice.

  • No Place For Hayter

    Sucks the project was shut down, would have been so interesting, glad to see everyone involved enjoyed and learned from it despite it being shut down.

  • LukesAlike

    It would’ve been cool…

  • Venom Snake

    Well, looking forward to what Big Cake Games will make in the future.

  • Fraaancis

    Everyone know that there would Solid Snake cameo at the end of the TPP voiced by Hayter.

    • Venom Snake

      I’m afraid the the Young Solid Snake from MGSV will be voiced by Norman Reedus!

      • BigBoss_88

        Or by Samuel L. Jackson :O ?!

        • Le Guy who drowned quiet

          nnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

          • BigBoss_88

            Lol xD …

        • Venom Snake

          Heh, i don’t see the connection, but i found it funny!

          • BigBoss_88

            There really isn’t a connection and I just meant it as a joke ;D yeah. Samuel is a pretty badass voice actor ;), but he might not fit the role of Solid very well!

      • Le Guy who drowned quiet

        nnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

        • Venom Snake

          I won’t be happy either, but i won’t be Mad, since Hayter is just no able anymore to do a Young 19 Solid Snake!

          • In this interview he says he could.

          • Venom Snake

            Well, he would be better then a totally unknown guy!

          • No Place For Hayter

            “but i won’t be Mad, since Hayter is just no able anymore to do a Young 19 Solid Snake!”
            This article itself tells us he can and that he enjoys doing so, kind of an really odd comment and assumption to make considering the article.

          • Venom Snake

            Not really, i listen to the Trailer, and he doesn’t sound like a Young Solid Snake, not even as in MGS1, which if you ask me is his Best Performance.

          • No Place For Hayter

            Note though that the trailer is narrated by Big Boss, and the only line spoken by Solid Snake is the “Kept you waiting, huh?”.

            My biggest point was that I have too many other people talk about what voice actors can and cannot do, none of us know what range of Snake voices that Hayter can make so why are most of us saying that he can’t do a younger snake voice? at best it is an assumption.

          • flying_fox

            He can’t. He can’t possibly have the range because he’s been forcing his voice from the start for this character.

            That “kept you waiting” line in the trailer was weird, like he was very very cautious to sound “as young as possible” while saying it. But the thing is, he’s a 45-year-old man now. He would just be forcing his voice in the opposite way.

            Just because he has fun doing it, doesn’t mean it’s good.

          • No Place For Hayter

            Each to his own, but like I said none of us can say what someone can and can’t do, just because it is what we believe doesn’t mean it is fact.

          • flying_fox

            Sorry I did not make it clear it was only my opinion.

            Three words, though : Digital Graphic Novels. As far as we know, that was Hayter’s last official performance… Let’s say he didn’t exactly provide us with strong evidence that he could pull it off (on the contrary). His voice was all over the place.

            I suppose that today, he would apply himself to it, as his “kept you waiting” showed. Don’t get me wrong, I would have loved to hear more from him in that trailer… I wouldn’t mind changing my opinion about all this.

            Until then, I think only a new voice actor would do justice to a young Snake.

          • No Place For Hayter

            Agreed that there is not much evidence that shows us he could voice a young snake, but what ticks me off is that the voice directors don’t get what they need/want from Hayters voice, I mean wtf, I love Hayters voice acting but it seems to me for things like the graphic novels that the voice director didn’t even care about the performance given, it is their job to direct and get the best performance possible from every voice actor, not to make sure they read it line for line and be happy with whatever you get.

          • Venom Snake

            Hold on, i didn’t knew that trailer was narrated by Big Boss… you see, here is the problem with Hayter as Big Boss, and the only reason we got Hayter is Snake Eater was because people were b*ching about Raiden in MGS2, so Hideo could not get another actor to Voice Big Boss because the fans would still be mad and not buying the Game!

          • Janeo

            I really don’t see kojima as the kind of person that would put david hayter in mgs3 for sales, if he was like that would he really be changing him now. Did he even choose the English actors back then anyway I thought he would’ve focused on the Japanese cast and let the English team take care of the other cast, the only reason he is focusing on the English now is because they are the ones doing the facial capture.

          • Venom Snake

            Sorry, i mean that he didn’t wanted the fans to abandon the Series, so he got Hayter as Big Boss

            Also if you keep in mind both Liquid and Solidus Snake have difference Voices, and since Solidus is the PERFECT Big Boss clone, shouldn’t have Big Boss Voice be done by the one who Voiced Solidus, or at least by someone who sounds more closer to Solidus Voice…Long Story short, shouldn’t Big Boss sound like Solidus and not Solid?

            Just think about it and you’ll see that Kiefer is The PERFECT Big Boss Voice, he sounds almost identical to the guy who Voiced Solidus Snake in MGS2!

          • Janeo

            I completely agree about Keifer being perfect, he just has a commanding voice, I loved hayter as big boss and I’m glad he voiced him but I would say Keifer is the better option. I will always defend hayter when people say he wasn’t any good but that doesn’t mean I want him back as big boss I liked Keifers performance to much

          • Venom Snake

            Exactly, people forgot about Solidus and that he is the PERFECT clone, making it COMPLETELY LOGIC for Big Boss to sound in his late 50’s like Solidus Snake, and not like Solid Snake!

          • Le Guy who drowned quiet

            how did he do it in mg trailer

          • Venom Snake

            He didn’t sound like a Young Snake to me!

          • Le Guy who drowned quiet

            the kept you waiting

          • Venom Snake

            He sounded a bit forced on that, maybe it was the mike quality

      • No Place For Hayter

        Well one thing is for sure, if there is a young Solid Snake in MGSV, Hayter is not voicing him, which is fine considering HOW young he would be in the game.

        • Venom Snake

          True

        • Fraaancis

          Well, we already know that game wiil be jumping 9 years forward because of Big Boss coma, Kojima could make it second time or it could be call after credits.
          Its just should happen, Kojima know how to play fans like a damn fiddles.

          • BigBoss_88

            This has been my guess for over a year. I believe there is a small chance the game might skip years ahead in the end of TPP to close the gap between MGSV and Metal Gear 1 even more.
            Then they could include Hayter for example to give few voice lines as a more adult Solid Snake or at least in post-credits conversation. As none of us know how far in years The Phantom Pain really goes, we only know at the moment that after coma it’s 1984.

            Anyway to really pull that off without letting fans know about Hayter’s involvement in the game, both Kojima and Hayter etc would have been perfectly messing with us fans lol. But hey, just take a look at P.T. I mean who’d guess it was about Silent Hills. Kojima indeed knows how to play those fiddles and pianos.

  • Z!

    Awesome move mr hayter aka the real snake

  • PrinceHeir

    Damn that Solid Snake MGS4 model still looks awesome as ever 🙂

    Fox Engine one would be even more Godly!

    Though he looks grumpy for some reason O__o

    It’s funny, back then i was glad we have more Big Boss games than Solid Snake since we’ve been playing him for so long now(MGS1, MGS2, and even the spin offs are based off his appearance)

    But when MGS3, Portable Ops, Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes came out and Phantom Pain is getting closer. I kinda missed Solid Snake.

    Big Boss is still my no.1 character for the franchise, but Solid Snake really has this cool like personality. He’s similar to Big Boss, but more neutral. It’s kinda like what Big Boss said at the end of MGS4.

    Big Boss, The Boss, Liquid Snake, Solidus Snake and others are stuck in this garden of circle of some sorts(sorry i kinda forgotten about it) and only Solid Snake the only one who was “Free” from his fate. Everyone got tied down by their fate, but Solid Snake was the only one who was able to escape and do what he think is right.

    So i really think this is the perfect opportunity to remake the MSX games! No more sides games now, no more 1 year before MG MSX. Just go straight to MSX games and fill in the gaps after the years of Phantom Pain as you play along.

    As for David Hayter. I do agree Solid Snake is his best performance! In fact i think he fits perfectly as Solid Snake while Otsuka is more of a Big Boss type of character since his voice fits perfectly for a 40+ year old war veteran.

    I’m not holding my breath for him returning for Phantom Pain or even MSX games. But i do agree he should return as Solid Snake in the MSX games. Let’s give him a chance to see if he can still do his Solid Snake voice. Preferably MGS1 or MGS2 voice or a balance of both since Solid Snake is in his rookie years during MSX games.

    • No Place For Hayter

      I saw an article about how the MGS series should never remake any of its games, but it was a bit too high and mighty for its own good, it missed that most people only want the MSX games remade, (I’m specifically talking about the first Metal Gear game here) the MSX games are so old they don’t even fit the story of MGS anymore, they are also the only none 3D graphics games, and are even not connected mainly to the series because they are “MG” games and not “MGS” games, while I agree the series games should never be simply remade to be modern or with a better engine, the MSX games are a huge exception for many MANY reasons.

      • PrinceHeir

        I think he’ll definitely remake it.

        Though he’ll probably only get the based of the story of MSX games(Big Boss vs Solid Snake, Gray Fox vs Solid Snake) similar to what happened to Portable Ops(Big Boss survives San Hieronymo incident and that’s it).

        Everything else will be changed completely. Including all of the boss’s characters, NPCs relationship to Solid Snake, backgrounds, information and such. Not even sure how Miller will fit in the story considering what will happen to Phantom Pain.

        The MSX games are long long overdue. I don’t know why Kojima keeps ignoring those two games even those two were responsible for him to be able to ranked up at Konami and make Metal Gear Solid. He even wants another remake of Metal Gear Solid 1!

        What the hell? The game is still playable aside from the floaty controls. Mechanics still hold up pretty well. I do love the arstyle though, feels so underground and amazing for some reason.

        I want my Remake MSX games damn it!

        • Kojima doesn’t want to do remakes it seems. He doesn’t want to remake Metal Gear Solid himself either. But because the MSX games would have to be rebuild from the ground up, as you said, and also would have to be rewritten, it would be difficult to give that job to another studio. A remake of MGS would be easier since they have more to go by. Maybe that’s the reason.

          • PrinceHeir

            Yeah understandable, but still disappointing.

            And do people really want another remake of MGS? As much as i loved the game, i think we already played it too much. Plus it still holds up pretty well in the storyline aside from some few small details.

            Not to mention most of the game takes place in tight corner building complexes. So making it in an open world engine is kinda useless. The game would probably look like the buildings like in Paz’s torture room from Ground Zeroes. Tight corners with lots of ventilation to go back and forth.

            Yeah seeing it in MGS4 was amazing and all, but the MSX would truly be a hallmark experience. Seeing Big Boss and Solid Snake fight one on knowing what happens next in the future would be awesome!

            We could have flashbacks from the past AND future.

            I’m just excited for the MSX storyline! since Kojima can potentially outdo the ending of MGS3 where Naked Snake ends up killing The Boss at the end.

          • A Metal Gear Solid remake would be a nice extra, but yeah, remakes of MG1/2 would be a lot more special because there is obviously a lot that can be changed, and taking these events from the storyline into the modern age opens up many possibilities. Also because it’s a very important part of the saga which would be great to relive.

  • BigBoss_88

    Damn, I just realized something. I’ve been sometimes thinking of this hidden message Kojima gave us, but now it hit me thx to TGS lol. Or then I’m just slow looool :O…

    TGS is 18.09.2014
    Coming 1984=1894

    Release date is coming in TGS! I only thought it just means the game’s setting, but I was wrong YEAY ;D!

    • No Place For Hayter

      Not bad, still a theory but not bad at all.

      • BigBoss_88

        Yeh I know ;0…but it gives me little more hope ;). Although Kojima has said himself he put 1984 as the setting for different reasons. Like the ten year gaps between games MGS3 1964, PW 1974 and TPP 1984.
        But…! The numbers they add up too well with TGS xD, I bet this has been Kojima’s plan all along -___- . 😀

        • cardboardbox engineer

          while we are hoping lets hope that photo that kojima took (q4.2014) is true as well

          • BigBoss_88

            Yes lets hope so <(^O^<)! I think I would cry tears of happiness if it's true lol.

  • BigBoss_88

    Lol been a while since I saw this episode ;D, I hope James likes MGSV more than this NES MG version.
    To waste some time if haven’t seen ;).

    • No Place For Hayter

      I remeber when I played and finished the NES version……… what a piece of crap, lol.

      • BigBoss_88

        I remember playing it too years ago… and I got nightmares from it O_o. Still that cover with Kyle Reese/Michael Biehn was pretty cool lol.Snake’s Revenge was quite funny too.
        http://i.imgur.com/oc8Qr0z.png?1

        • gerber

          I don’t get people saying nes version is terrible and msx is so awesome. I played both and they are pretty much the same game. Few things are different but most of the flaws appear in both games. I liked both

          • No Place For Hayter

            They are both old with their own flaws (MG2 is where the MG series started being masterpieces) but when you compare the two versions of the first one, the MSX version is clearly much better when it comes to game design, such as enemy placement, weapon placement, and general game mechanics, not only that but the story is more cohesive such as there actually being a Metal Gear in the MSX version, it is not that the NES version is terrible (but to me it is) it is the fact that there is a superior version which when compared makes the NES version look even worse.

  • ObsessedGeorge

    A little off topic but, where are the English Kojima Station episodes?

    • mikeyyytexas

      I think they stopped because didn’t Sean go to LA to help Chris Zimmerman with the Voice Recordings? Maybe they were behind and Sean needed to go crack the whip?

      Besides I think those guys were having a bit way too much fun on the show, although I loved the cast I don’t think we got a whole bunch of information from them as I would have liked.

    • Invader_skoodge

      I asked that in the Japanese Kojima Station and Ken Imaizumi responded that they were very busy so they stopped making the English episodes. In other words: “Ain’t nobody got time for that!”

  • gerber

    It was fun to do young snake again? He barely said “metal gear” and “kept you waiting huh?”. I would like to hear more of his young snake voice. Because I don’t believe he can do mgs1 snake anymore

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