Kojima explains how he connects story and game design

During a panel at RTX Sydney called ‘From Indie to Icon’, Hideo Kojima and Joshua Boggs (designer of award winning mobile game Framed) talked about their career and what methods they use for creating games. One of the questions was about story, and what comes first during development, the design or the narrative.

“I do story, the narrative, and the game design myself, so I’m doing them at the same time actually.”

Kojima explained that these two elements are inextricably intertwined during his design process: “So I have the game design and the story at the same time and I choose key words that are fundamental to both of these. I basically kind of connect the dots between both of them, back and forth, back and forth, and doing these two jobs in parallel. So I have the characters, the world, many important things for the game design and the story, and do them in parallel.”

“Of course, sometimes there are peaks in your story, where the story takes the lead, so in those instances we test how to design the game around that, what is the best way to make it so that the game works with that story peak. And conversely we’ll also tweak the story along with that to make sure that they kind of tie together very tightly.”

Another subject of the conversation was release dates, and how the designers go about deciding one for their project, and sticking to it.

“I’m always thinking of the sales date in my head.”

“So I have the idea in my head, like I just said, and I have the date in my head alongside with it. And then when I first tell someone about it, when I tell the team about it, that’s when we decide basically the development schedule, the development process. That is actually the time we decide the release date, right away.”

As an example Kojima compared this process to the movie industry: “When production of a movie starts out they plan the shooting and everything to tie in with the release date. They know when the release date is so then they secure the movie theaters for that time, they can secure the numbers of seats that they need to fill. The schedule and the promotion, all the planning revolves around meeting that same date, like everything running up to that point. I feel that I myself am actually very good at this process.”

One of the final questions of the interview was about success, and how the game designers deal with it.

“I don’t think I’ve reached success yet. It’s my plan to reach it with Death Stranding.”

“For me success is like the sun.” Kojima explained. “If you go to close to the sun you’ll get burned. So I try to keep just the right distance, get close enough but stay far enough away so that I can be safe and be successful. So for me that’s the kind of success I want to have.”

To watch the entire interview, follow this link to a recording of the Twitch stream (Kojima’s and Joshua Boggs’ talk starts at 5:31:47).

Source: RTX Sydney, Twitter

  • Gatsu

    This was great a interview :D. It’s always fascinating to read his thoughts on game development. I can’t wait to see how the story turns out to be like :).

    I think Kojima-san is already very successful, but apparently he wants to have a different kind of success ;D. It’s always good to have a goal to aim for.

    • Judging by these two interviews, Death Stranding will be totally different to Metal Gear games in terms of gameplay.
      He wants to be successful with new ideas.

      I really want to see a huge 9-10 minute trailer. I want to know what it is about. No one knows yet… Except for the fact that it will be a third person action game set in the Open World environment.

      • Gatsu

        Yeah omg, seeing a long trailer like that would blow my mind to 10000 pieces <3. It's still a mystery indeed and I'm so hyped to find out more of it. I like when he said in one of the previous interviews, that he always want to be the first guy to do things no one has ever done before.

        • Two things that will be very exciting: the first time we hear dialogue (Norman, Mads) and the first time we’ll get to see some gameplay.

          • Gatsu

            just imagining those two…mmmmmm so good.

          • Tom Brearley-Smith

            I can almost taste it…

          • Full Options

            …With a couple of plot elements in-between, under the form of new characters or other environments of the story….

      • Full Options

        Except for the fact that it will be a third person action game set in the Open World environment.

        Sounds like a great plan to me… hehe
        And looking at what we have in term of plot, I would be surprised if we don’t have heavy stealth elements as well… 😀

        https://media.giphy.com/media/bvEclbJrVypQA/giphy.gif

      • MinimalistGeek

        Kojima NEVER disappoints when it comes to the actual gameplay. I have my faith in him to deliver an awesome game again though i doubt it will be like MGSV in terms scale, but i don’t think it has to surpass TPP.

    • Yeah, Kojima said something similar a few years ago, that he thought he hadn’t made anything that he was really proud of: http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=15505

      But many fans would probably disagree with that.

      • Gatsu

        I think many artists often act the same. Kojima is an artist and he wants to aim higher until he can be satisfied, which is good thing and he will continue pushing the boundaries of games and storytelling.

        When I’m drawing stuff I often think they’re nothing special even if some friends like, because I know I can get better ;).

        • Yeah, what he probably means is that he isn’t done creating yet, he can always strife for something more, something better, something that wasn’t possible before but is now due to new technology. He hasn’t reached his end goal yet.

      • Lex Radu

        Yeah, that’s how you should thinks as an artist, you’ve never done your best work, you can always do better, you should always aim to surpass your previous work!

        • Full Options

          Shurpasssss…

  • Gatsu

    Thanks for the twitch link Boss :), something to watch today :D.

  • God met his own God.

    https://twitter.com/Kaizerkunkun/status/828237108988948481

    P.S. Mad Max: Fury Road is one of my favorite movies of all time too. Huge fan.

    • Gatsu

      Awesome <3, yea I love the movie too.

    • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

      Kojima: I should tell him about how Mad Max was amazing in black and white
      Inner Kojima : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh5AgbfEvjc

    • Punished Fox

      Now, to be fair this was an unmissable opportunity to ask for Mel Gibson’s number.

  • radun

    Sorry for being totally off topic, but for the past 6 days, here in Romania there have been ample, and i mean AMPLE, maybe the amplest manifestations against a government in eastern Europe in recent memory.

    Without notice, last tuesday night at 10 pm, the leading party stealthly introduced a law that would have gotten out of prison a few of the most corrupt leading politicians in Romania, together with clearing all their criminal records, and also transferring all the power to the leading politicians.

    People got out on the streets and got together in front of the main government building. Every single night since, in every single major city. I’ve been there with my sis, i’m going tomorrow as well. It’s been totally peaceful, with people giving flowers to the enforcers and really amazing stuff like that.

    What you see here happends in this very moment in Bucharest, and there are around 400.000 people gathered to peacefully protest against the government, asking them to resign.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/575772a4b0197ad16d1fd24177958e8a346def5f8462a71c85b342aece66cbd0.jpg

    • Lex Radu

      Amen Brother…frate…camarad…este extraordinar ce putem face cand suntem uniti de un inamic comun…Cip…glumesc…guvernul!
      Amen Brother…comrade…it’s extraordinary what we can do when we’re united by a mutual enemy…Cip…kidding…The Government!

      https://youtu.be/7bVR-RDEc7g

      • radun

        Asa este. Ceva intr-adevar inspirator!
        True. Something truly inspiring!

  • JJBYACHFullOptions2KojiBoi

    [Disclaimer: The literal definition of NSFW. Like, actually…]

    So it’s finally here. Another masterstroke from industry veterans Brazzers:

    http://http.trailers.bz.contentdef.com/10377/vids/bex_casey_calvert_bb120916_trailer_480p_2000.mp4

    Review Time:

    Tbh I’m more disturbed at the fact that Venom talks way too much here. Also why is he wearing a wife-beater in those codec calls (why are there codec calls in it anyway? Frigging idiots), and who the hell is he talking to on the Codec?

    These are more minor quibbles that kinda work together to instantiate the bigger issue with the whole production: it seems to be less of the type “parody” it claims to be, and instead… A porn.

    In Brazzers previous opuses such as Overwatch XXX this issue is still prevalent, but I think the broadness of the tropes and vagueness to the lore of the chosen workings (at least when compared to MGS) helps allows for the butt of the joke to be more pressed on the absolute absurdity of the piece and the content within, opposed to the quips at the tropes and idiosyncrasies of its parent work. I think this more “even canvass” allows for a more gracious interpretation as a “parody”.

    Now with MGS:The Phantom Peen [An XXX Parody] , I feel like they really dropped the ball in this one. The overt delineation from the source material renders it less of a parody and more of a porn with shitty VFX and pointless exposition no one cares about, and makes even less sense than why I’m still typing this. Why the hell is is called Phantom Peen? What, did BB lose his bellend in GZ? Did he get circumcised in his coma? Seriously wtf? You’d think the trailer for a porn this unnecessarily “plot” heavy would at least give some insight into how the title relates to the story. The writing of this just seems to be quite bad really. Some lines are of note, there is a pretty nice play on words with the series tagline, but nothing else really ever stood out to me as even the most subtle critique, mockery or subversion of famous series tropes that both newbies to the franchise and even the most hardcore fans would appreciate. I mean MGS can be quite sexual at times, it practically writes itself. They really didn’t have to reach far but somehow they completely undershot. This is a trailer, so there is the possibility they are holding back some of their bigger gags for the final release, I just hoped they would show more. They created such a high bar to beat in the industry I want them to surpass it but I’m not sure they can. And this trailer isn’t bolstering my confidence in anyway.

    The best part of the trailer was the fact DD never appeared in it and gave a more literal definition of the term doggy-style, and if that was the lasting impression your piece left me… You done, screwed up Brazzers…

    – 4/10
    Not exactly the Chapter 3 we were hoping for.

    • Mr.Pony

      Now I’ve seen everything.

      As for reviews, this is just another example of franchise milking, trying to squeeze an easy dollar out of the consumer. I blame Konami for allowing such a cheap and uninspired move. The plot is awful, almost non-existence with no context whatsoever (I’ll take chapter 2 over this) this is not the MGS that we’ve grew up loving. The characters are totally undeveloped and although the high quality of the cutscenes, sound design becomes boring and repetitive very fast. Also Contrary to every MGS this one puts no emphasis in the arsenal at snakes disposal leaning towards meele combat, plus this offers no stealth approach whatsoever with Quiet spotting Venom from a mile away even tough using a cardboard box and yet getting defeated by Venom’s CQC.

      I rate this 3/10 Definitely not the Chapter 3 or the Snake Eater remake we were hoping for.

      BTW all puns intended

    • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

      Thankfully we didn’t have to pay for this shit
      Premium my ass

    • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

      11/10 Too much lube-IGN
      And yes I didn’t watch it.

      • Gatsu

        “And yes I didn’t watch it.”
        Yeah right bro ^_^

        • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

          Ok ok
          This shit was so hilariously bad my spectacles automatically fell off and I had this strong urge to stab my eyes

        • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

          Andddd it’s gone.

    • Lex Radu

      Venom Snake indeed!
      To Brazzers…
      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EoAalmuVdDI/maxresdefault.jpg

    • Gatsu

      What the hell ;D….

      I need to see this movie :3, 10/10 for sure.

    • I edited the post. Please don’t post this kind of material here.
      I understand what it is about, but there is too much “that” content that does not belong here even with MGS material in it.
      You can post a small picture here, but not a link for a trailer or a Full movie.

      Please understand.

  • Full Options
    • Full Options

      Mmmmmm…. Thanks Nyxus, going to lunch… I know what I ‘ll have for the dessert… Yummm…. !!!! ;D

      • Not sure if this means it will be uploaded today, but it looks like we can expect it soon.

        • Full Options

          Ho, thx, I see… he said for confirmation… Hopefully, he’ll green-light this version or at least they won’t have much to tune on it !!! ;D

    • Gatsu

      Nice! I can’t wait to see it :).

    • Full Options

      xD This gauge looks stuck at 101 KB… I checked even on twitter… xD I am wondering what’s wrong…Can someone check my connection ? xD

      https://media.giphy.com/media/g3nKYbMGrHR6w/giphy.gif

  • Gatsu

    I decided to check for fun in profile, that when I joined discus and it say in June 9th 2014. So I’ve been on this site almost three years ;D… time sure flies, weird though because I’m pretty sure I joined here in 2013 hmm :P. Maybe 2014 was when I changed my username. I think it was thanks to MGI that I started using disqus and twitter because of Kojima-san xD.

  • Gatsu

    I’m having a really hard time deciding, that should I buy Nioh for PS4 or not. The game looks amazing and gets high review scores, but I also wanna save money for other games and travel plans :P…. I know the game isn’t going anywhere xD, but would be cool to play it asap lol.

    Btw what games are you all excited for this year?
    Some of my list is: Nioh, Berserk, Nier, Horizon Zero and Mass Effect. Arghh so many games omg and these are all before April.

    I also hope to see FF7 remake and Res Evil 2 remake in E3, also DS ;D.

    • Horizon, Zelda, Mario Odyssey, Ni No Kuni II. Currently playing Yakuza 0.

    • Lex Radu

      Well, i am quite excited for Injustice 2, because of characters like Black Canary, The Flash, Darkseid (hopefully they give us Static Shock too) whatever WB Games is about to announce on april 8, hoping for Shadow of Mordor sequel rather than another Batman Game, let’s see….aaaaaahm, Mass Effect, of course…and that’s about it!

      • Gatsu

        Mordor sequel would be amazing to see.

    • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

      I need muh ff7 remake SE
      “RE 2” remake
      “Police station,zombies , Leon in Next Gen”
      *Orgasm*

    • Full Options

      Sry bro, tuesdays.. tired too. Should not have…

      • Gatsu

        It’s okey :P, I admit that I might sometimes overreact with some things.

        /hug <3

        • Full Options

          You are always perfectely balanced.
          Was tired, sry again.
          Love <3 + Best

          • Gatsu

            Nyx is the one who is perfectly balanced :D, but thanks anyway ^_^ xD.

          • Full Options

            I agree, Nyxus is a really wise dude and you are very wise too.
            Many members here as well, this is why I can sadly turn quite bitter if I see something that sound displaced or unfair.

            I am not really used to comment sections or other social channel as such. As you saw, I am usually not that out of control, but can really turn nuke / equally opposite with the wrong words.. Probably due to the heavy dose of gamma rays I received in the past… xD
            Generally, if some show self-correction, I usually get back from “incident mode” to normal mode quite quick… And wake up in a torn up shirt and jeans, and can’t remember anything… Don’t know what’s wrong… Due you have a clue ? xD

            http://i.makeagif.com/media/5-12-2014/cQ1CKD.gif

          • Gatsu

            I know the feeling mate :). We as humans get these emotions once in a while.

            Wooooah! Holy crap you’re hulk haha xD ?

          • Full Options

            xD Don’t say it too loud… This journalist after me you know… sst… alo eberyone.. eyem bach… xD

          • Full Options
    • Gatsu

      Ok I bought Nioh ;D. Can’t wait to see how challenging it is.

  • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet
    • Full Options

      Mmmm… Nice find… No signs of R* at GDC… E3 then ?…

      • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

        It’s probably fake
        A gameplay demo is impossible for RDR
        And they wrote Detroit as Detroid
        And the Ac game could come out in 2018

        • Full Options

          Mmmm… 06/12/17… Looks like E3 SCEA press conf schedule… Although a day before E3’s opening (06/13) but supposed to happen on Monday like last year..
          Maybe it is an official doc, even if there can be typos here and there… We’ll see.

  • Gatsu

    How old is the current poll? We could put a new one if anyone has some ideas for a good one.

    • First Metal Gear Game?
      Dunno if we had this one already

      • Gatsu

        Hmmm perhaps not :), there’s 6 pages of polls and I’m too lazy to check them ;D.

        • Full Options

          Dunno if it was done, but would go :
          Longest Boss / level for you to find the solution…
          Would leave you guys select the situation but the MG’s punch the wall with different sounds in it in the cell, was something..
          I’d put MGS3’s cell, Sorrow’s Boss fight third, MGS4’s Vamp boss fight fourth MGS3’s The End fifth…

        • Just checked and yes we’ve done that already

    • Lex Radu

      Fox Engine or Decima … i don’t know!

      • Full Options

        Maybe a bit soon for a stealth / Metal Gearish engine poll, but I believe Nyxus could definitely use this one on his other site, selecting 3-4 more most notable engines, with the simple question :
        “Fav game engine ?”

        • JJBYACHFullOptions2KojiBoi

          Exactly – Horizon Zero Dawn isn’t even out yet 😛

          I’m totally down with a fav engine poll.

          • Full Options

            There are few titles that may let some evaluate a bit Decima, but yeah…
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decima_(game_engine)

            I would go :

            1 – FoxEngine
            2 – RAGE
            3 – id-Tech
            4 – Frostbyte
            5 – CryEngine
            6 – Unreal
            7 – Unity3D

            … Something like that … ;D

          • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

            Killzone says hello

          • Full Options

            Horizon is almost out… I guess we’ll have a better picture then, but even in the case it would not really be cool (which I heavily doubt), KP is truly going to do whatever they want with it.. Not worried a sec. I am still sad that Junji Tago is not on board.
            Shuhei Tanaka joined SE..

          • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

            Once again Killzone Shadow Fall says hello there

          • Full Options

            😀 I know, there is also this “Until Dawn”.. Dunno what it is..
            Check the link I posted to JJ for full Decima’s titles list.

  • Gatsu

    Recent news from Koji-world, omg this is so cool 😀 https://twitter.com/M2magazineNZ/status/829101594566291456

    • Full Options

      Lol Boss T-shirt… Pete’s beard… On purpose ?? xD

      • BurntFM

        LOL is Guillermo Del Toro the Mexican Peter Jackson or is Peter Jackson the New Zealander Guillermo Del Toro.

        • Full Options

          He should have 3D scan him as well when visiting Weta workshop…
          😀

  • Gatsu

    Off-Topic once again ;3.

    I watched a bit of Angry Joe’s RE7 review. I’m glad he liked it.

    As a long time fan, imo it’s awesome game 🙂 and it brought back the horror feeling + other familiar things.

    • Mr.Pony

      Until you get the shotgun.

    • Jav

      The “horror feeling” is just the fear of dying because it’s easy to die if you can’t move freely like in past games. And you don’t want to play again the same part. I’m sure they used the first person just for limitate the movements and to try to scare you with things appearing in front of the screen.
      I think this game in third person and some gameplay like re4 could have been really good. There are some things that only work in first person, like some boss battles.
      This is the first resident evil that I don’t want to play again after finish it.

      • Gatsu

        I wouldn’t say its because of fear of dying. Horror games in first person view just give me the scary feeling better. I’m glad they changed it and no CQC moves etc because those make the games easy and less scary.

        It feels like fresh take on the series. That being said, I often do prefer 3rd person in games. You wanted to play Re6 again? o_O

        • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

          He probably meant that the game was so claustrophobic and scary he doesn’t want to play again
          He probably didn’t care about RE6 but was comfortable with the gameplay

          • Gatsu

            I started a Madhouse Mode playthrough in RE7 recently, but the beginning is still pretty scary to me for some reason so I planned to continue later lol ;D. Anyway, to me first person view isn’t just scary because of dying. For example, if think about P.T. I don’t die in it, but it still is the scariest thing ever to me lol. About a month ago, I played it again and still had to quit again after a while. It’s all the feeling atmosphere, sounds, lighting and 1st person view can do to me. 1st person view make me feel a little as if I’d be in the game, because I dont see around myself constantly, like in 3rd person view. Not trying to compare it to VR though, because I never tried to used those devices yet.

        • Jav

          I want something like re4 or even 5. Re6 has the best freedom of movements in all the re history, but it’s not what the series needs.

          • Gatsu

            I want something like them too but just more scary version <3, I love those games. Hopefully RE2 remake will be awesome.

    • BurntFM

      I personally love the throwback to solving puzzles in a big house(mansion *wink wink*) I really liked this game very much.

  • Konami is alive…

    http://io9.gizmodo.com/netflix-has-announced-a-castlevania-tv-show-for-2017-1792131221

    Oh man… Something tells me that Metal Gear TV series are coming. That will be a disaster.

    • Full Options

      Should I click this link then ?? You scared me… xD Just clicked and it is yet an offence to Vampire Killer.. Perhaps the prod will do correct.. Just wait and see then, but … Yeah..

      • Well, people are actually excited. Maybe it will be good. The director so far is a safe choice.
        I remember Rober Peeler told that Konami need to see/decide where Castlevania should go. I guess this is a first step.

        But we don’t know much about the Metal Gear future and Metal Gear games are their best thing that can make them a lot of money. Itš a 30 year old franchise that is still popular to this day.

        • Full Options

          Amen, Golgari… If this past year could be enough for them to fully understand what responsibility they have now …

    • Gatsu

      O_O woah that’s interesting… maybe it will be good hmmm… I do hope it won’t be a disaster, especially if MG TV series would be coming too.

      • Well, Netflix track record so far is really good if we are being honest. Konami will go anywhere as long as there is a chance to make some more money.
        But this is a tricky situation. No game announcement like at all.
        We don’t know nothing about Castlevania’s videogame future which is a problem.

        • Mr.Pony

          Why spend money and time making a game, when you can sell the rights for a TV series. Then again as you said Netflix has a very good track record. As for games I could see Konami branching out of the “making games” business. There’s a MGS movie about to start production and now this. Maybe they’ll take a shot at another Silent Hills movie down the road.

    • Lex Radu

      That will be great actually!

      • Full Options

        Perhaps ;D

        • Lex Radu

          Yeah, i mean Metal Gear wouldn’t work as a 2/3 hours film anyway, a Miniseries format is the best way to make Metal Gear in live action.

          Get directors with interresting vision, good writers, good actors, and tell the Metal Gear stories that are better told in a non interactive format, that wouldn’t work as a Game.

          A few examples:

          Make an action SF Show about The Boss, show us her life that led to her meeting Big Boss, dive deep in to her space expedition that marked her for life, when she got irradiated, maybe show us her fear of doing it, by sowing us flashbacks of her fighting while pregnant, to symbolise what she is going through emotionally in those moments before boarding the ship, dive in to her mind!

          Another option would be an action comedy with Ocelot, how he came to be, what makes him an amazing triple agent, how he fooled everyone, why he is a likable douchebag.

          Another option would be a focused Psychological Drama about the downfall between Big Boss and Zero, how much killing The Boss changed John, how both misunderstood her will, and how they all are dealing with it, what led to Zero deciding to clone Big Boss, to make Solid, Liquid, and Mantis!

          Seriously, if done right, Netflix can make a shared universe shows without even touching on the actual Metal Gears, just exploring the characters alone would be enough to make dozens of hours of good quality entertainement, without trying to make things better than Kojima, since those options dive in to the world created by Kojima, and would be hard to screw it up, they would have to be horrible to mess what Kojima made!

    • JJBYACHFullOptions2KojiBoi

      I think Metal Gear is a bit too high octane to be TV show. The budget will be through the roof and the Netflix model (most likely model for distribution) seems to favour TV shows smaller in scale. If they tone the scale of the story down it may work. Despite having high stakes MGSV was a lot slower paced and less “erratic” than the other games (which was Kojima’s intention), so it’s possible.

  • Full Options
  • Off topic, but you can win a 1/1 scale bionic arm in Konami’s contest: https://twitter.com/KonamiUK/status/829328983372288000

    Here’s an article about the item: http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=26670

  • Gatsu
    • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

      *Vietnam flashbacks of oldboy begin*

    • Lex Radu

      Jordan is attached to direct the MGS Movie (Yes, i said, MGS, the Movie is a “Metal Gear Solid”) perhaps Hideo making sure this guy doesn’t screw it up!

  • Chopper pics.

    • Gatsu

      haha, awww yeah xD! Good old choppah stuff.

  • GO!

    • Full Options

      Shoot… No captions ?

    • JJBYACHFullOptions2KojiBoi

      But no captions. RIP

      • They added them. Thank god for KojiPro Gods!

        • Full Options

          Cool shots of Mads 3D cage + percap session around 11:35 !!! ;D

          • There is a small surprise at the end of the video. 28 seconds of small sample from the game’s ost. It’s even better than in Death Stranding teaser trailer with Mads. Slower, with a bit of chorus for some dramatic situation. I can’t wait.

          • Full Options

            Cool !! Did not noticed… When they’ll publish the firsts gameplay foortages, this place is gonna explode… xDxD

          • JJBYACHFullOptions2KojiBoi

            Shit, I missed that. You’re right, sounds a lot more dramatic. The hype…

    • LeGuyWhoDownedQuiet

      Eww what is that awful cap with an awful drawing of a shitty overrated V.A doing there?

  • Full Options

    Magic-Monaco update for Sat 18…
    Boss’s conference @2pm & signing session @3.30pm… hehe 😀

    http://www.magic-ip.com/
    https://youtu.be/GwZ3L_A7KDo?t=1m

  • Mini gear

    Good to see ya too gatsu ^-^,
    Hah feels like it never came out sometimes still. I’ve been pretty good, been in los angelus with mostly no wifi for 2 weeks, lots of fun coming back here to talk more

    Lol still remember the Christmas live stream xp
    Everyone died that day

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