Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain E3 2015 Trailer Analysis

On June 15th, the final Metal Gear Solid E3 trailer by Hideo Kojima was revealed, containing over 5 minutes of glorious drama. Below is our analysis of the trailer. As with earlier analyses, we try to stay close to the concrete details, what we see and what we hear, without going too far in all kinds of directions with theories.

This trailer is built around one of the game’s main story themes: language. Kojima already talked about this back at TGS, but at the time didn’t want to reveal too much about it yet. The other themes (race and revenge) are also touched upon in this trailer, but it focuses mainly on the theme of language.

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It starts with a quote by a Romanian philosopher: “It is no nation we inhabit, but a language. Make no mistake; our native tongue is our true fatherland.” This quote serves to emphasize the importance of language to someone’s identity. The Metal Gear series as a whole has always been about how internal and external factors shape a person: genes for MGS1, memes for MGS2, scene for MGS3. MGSV adds language as a vital cultural element to the mix.

The first thing we hear is a cassette tape that is being started, suggesting that what we hear next is a recording.

Then we get some shots of the aftermath of a bloody battle. The Diamond Dogs logo suggests this scene takes place on Mother Base. It could be the same scene we briefly see at the end of last year’s E3 trailer, in which Snake shoots three of his soldiers in the head. The first shot sets the tone for the trailer right away: very dark and gloomy.

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Skull Face voice can be heard: “I was born in a small village. I was still a child when we were raided by soldiers. Foreign soldiers. Torn from my elders I was made to speak their language. With each new post, my masters changed, along with the words they made me speak. With each change, I changed too. My thoughts, personality, how I saw right and wrong. Words can kill.”

Here Skull Face once again demonstrates how important language is to one’s personality. His line ‘words can kill’ resembles the song lyrics ‘words that kill’ heard in one of MGSV’s songs by Donna Burke.

Big Boss walks across the hallway, bloody and angry. Every now and then the red flashing lights make him seem even more fierce and demonic. Interestingly we can see his horn getting bigger, but his face also gets bloodier, so it seems like this shot is some sort of time-lapse. People have speculated before that throughout the game, perhaps Snake’s horn will grow bigger as it is pushed out of his skull, which also symbolizes his demonic side ever growing. The cutscenes are dynamic, maybe the amount of blood depends on previous player actions.

While Skull Face is talking about himself, and how he lost his own views of right and wrong, the images suggest that this applies to Big Boss as well, to a certain extent.

Next, it shows what appears to be another room inside Mother Base, with a mirror and a sink and some weaponry. ‘Trailer Directed and Edited by Hideo Kojima’. It has to be said.

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Ocelot’s voice (most likely talking about Skull Face): “Time and again the country was ruled by a foreign tongue. When he was a young boy, he lost his native language, the bedrock for any developing child. His country, his family, his face, his identity, everything was stolen from him.”

This is what looks to be an important aspect of Skull Face’s character, the fact that he is a man stripped of his humanity. He is literally a faceless character, who also seems to lack any emotion while doing horrible things to Chico and Paz. This makes him all the more frightening.

On the shelf by the mirror is a cassette tape: From the Man Who Sold the World. A reference to a David Bowie song. Left there by someone as a present to Big Boss, probably. Notice the item on the far left features a FOX-logo. Or is it XOF? We can see some medicines and surgical instruments, along with blood splatters. Perhaps this is the sick bay? The choice of the song is very fitting. It is about a man ‘who no longer recognizes himself and feels awful about it’.

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We see a shot from Ground Zeroes, of Skull Face leaving Camp Omega. In the next shot, Big Boss inserts the tape into his Walkman, and lets it play.

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Then, the familiar shot of Big Boss and Kaz on the operating table, likely the last thing that happened before he fell in a coma. Intercut with a shot of a helicopter flying trough Afghanistan.

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The FOX logo without ‘Kojima Productions’.

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A montage of Mother Base being destroyed (the end of Ground Zeroes) and Snake and Kaz arriving at the new base (probably after Snake rescued Kaz, the first mission of the game).

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With no arm to fill it, an empty jacket sleeve slides through Kaz’ fingers. He clenches the fist of his remaining arm. The two arrive at Mother Base, where Ocelot is waiting for them.

We hear a new voice: “Since ancient times, every civilization’s ruler has had the same idea: when people unite under one will, it becomes stronger than the sum of their parts. And what do rulers use to bring people together? Language.”

Who could this voice belong to?

Then we get our first look in two years at Code Talker.

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What if the voice in the voice over belongs to him? We haven’t heard him speak before, but we know the voice actor (Jay Tavare), and the voices are very similar. Listen and judge for yourself. We’re pretty sure it’s him.

Snake and Code Talker are inside some sort of old looking building smoking a calumet (also called peace pipe), so they seem to be on good terms. It’s from the same scene we saw a small piece of two years ago.

A shot of Snake in the helicopter, flying through an already impressive looking Mother Base, followed by a shot of Kaz interrogating Quiet, from the same scene as the Red Band trailer.

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Ocelot torturing Huey, we can see the same syringe he injected him with in the Red Band trailer.

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Next, a shot of Kaz talking to the Diamond Dogs army from up high. A close up of his face suggests he may be blind.

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At least four helicopters are flying over (Kojima already said you can have multiple helicopters in TPP). Notice Ocelot and Big Boss are standing further in the back behind Kaz.

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‘Eye for an Eye’.

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This probably refers to two things: the revenge Snake wants to take on the people responsible for the destruction of Mother Base and the deaths of his comrades, but also the theme of the game (‘the chain of retaliation’)

Another new voice: “This world will become one. I have found the way. Race, tribal affiliations, national borders, even our faces will be irrelevant. The will that The Boss envisioned will finally become a reality, and it will make mankind whole again.”

There is little doubt this is Zero. Not only because of the British accent, but more so because of what he’s saying. This has always been Zero’s reason for creating The Patriots: to make The Boss’ will a reality. And that was, as he interprets it, a world without borders, without internal struggle, a world that is ‘made whole’. Uniformity. We already knew Zero would have a new voice actor for this game, and this is the first time we hear him speak. Wether he will appear in the game in the flesh, or just his voice (over the telephone or as a recording, for example) remains to be seen.

A shot of a wounded Diamond Dogs soldier being rushed to the medical bay.

Then, another part of the scene in which Big Boss takes on some of his soldiers with CQC. In the Nuclear trailer we saw how one of these soldiers pulled a knife, and Big Boss intervened. Also, notice the posters on the wall: Big Boss is watching you. A clear 1984 reference. In the novel 1984, language is used as a tool to limit freedom of thought.

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Another shot at the cremation scene, possibly more towards the end. Big Boss, Ocelot and a grieving soldier. Then, we see Ocelot, Big Boss and Kaz standing together, talking something over. Looks like it’s the same ‘interrogation room’ in which Huey and Quiet are being tortured.

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A large pod is being carried inside the base. It’s looks exactly like the ‘Mammal Pod’ form Peace Walker, the part that contained the AI. Maybe they will use this one for the new Metal Gear?

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‘Pain for Pain’.

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A variation of the ‘chain of revenge’ theme.

Here is where it really gets confusing. We see Ocelot and Big Boss in front of an operating table, discussing a freshly stitched wound – that looks just like Paz’ wound after the bomb was removed from her body. Even more puzzling is the next shot, of a character who looks just like Paz, looking dazed. Someone is waving a hand in front of her face, as if to see how conscious she is. Is it really possible this is Paz, after she was blown to pieces by a bomb that was inside her body? Or is something else going on here?

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In the next shot, a man is lying on an operating table, a wire sticking from his throat. Big Boss removes it, it could be something used to manipulate the vocal cords, or be related to them in some other way, as that also ties into the theme of language and speech. At the end of the wire is something that resembles an earpiece.

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Then, a shot of Big Boss carrying a heavily wounded Quiet on Mother Base. You can see smoke or steam rising from her body.

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Back to the same man on the operating table. Big Boss removes a piece of fabric covering his chest and reveals some nasty looking growth. Maybe this man is one of the ‘Parasite Unit / Skulls’ (the supernatural enemies), and the Diamond Dogs are trying to find out who or what they are exactly.

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‘Skull for Skull’.

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This one is a bit more cryptic. At first glance it seems like another variation of the theme, but it could also refer to the Skull Unit soldiers, which Snake will be taking out one by one. The ‘skull’ as a symbol returns often in the game: of course there is Skull Face, but also the MSF and the Outer Heaven logo both feature a skull.

Now it gets spooky. A whole bunch of ghost like skeletons are walking trough a misty jungle (suggesting this takes place in Africa). They materialize, and seem to be part of the Skull Unit as well. It looks like Quiet actually has similar abilities.

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Zombie-like enemies are stumbling towards Big Boss and Quiet, who are standing next to an helicopter wreck. Maybe they just crashed, or maybe they are investigating the crash site. Quiet is covered in blood.

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We see someone trapped in what looks like a mechanical claw. Hard to see if it’s Big Boss. A bit later in the trailer Big Boss is hanging upside down in front of Skull Face, so it’s possible this is what happens just before that.

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Something seems to ‘activate’ the soldiers, their eyes light up bright green and their movements speed up dramatically. They appear to be controlled by an exterior force. Maybe some sort of hive mind.

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Big Boss is trying to escape in a jeep while being chased by… rock spires? They also resemble Big Boss’ horn, to and extent. Could he be hallucinating?

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A helicopter’s spinning rotor blades are killing a bunch of soldiers. This looks like it might take place in the hospital on Cyprus. Next, a burning man, looks like this takes place inside Mother Base.

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Big Boss and Quiet inside a steer-less helicopter. This suggests they did crash, and the scene earlier comes after this one. t looks like the crash is caused by the Skulls, we can see one of them outside, clinging onto the chopper.

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Justin Burnett is an American film composer, who has worked on several video games including earlier Metal Gear games. On Twitter he wrote he’s proud to be a ‘big part’ of Metal Gear Solid V. He worked together with Gregson-Williams for several years.

Skull Face: “America is a country of liberty, a meeting of immigrants. Instead of simply assimilating, its citizens live alongside others. So the Major sought a system that used information, words, to control the subconscious.”

The ‘major’ he is talking about is obviously ‘Major’ Zero.

Skull Face and Big Boss are riding a jeep together, and talking. Seems like this scene takes place before them arriving at the cave with the new Metal Gear, which we saw in last year’s trailer.

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Another look at Eli, who fans have agreed on is most likely a young Liquid Snake. The same room we saw in earlier trailers, with the white plastic chair and the tapestry. The camera moves away and we see a pig head, a reference to the novel Lord of the Flies. Same goes for the conch. In the novel, the conch is used to elect a leader, and only the one holding the conch may speak during meetings. Again, related to voice and language, and who is bestowed the power to use it. The pig’s head is the Lord of the Flies itself, which in the novel is a symbol of religion and of the power of evil in the hearts of men, and the name is a literal translation of ‘Beelzebub’ (the devil). This also ties in with the demon motif in the game. Taking into consideration Eli’s jacket, which features a drawing of ‘Pig Boss’, it seems that Liquid’s obsession with his father, his love-hate relationship, has already started in MGSV.

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Maybe Eli is the leader of a group of child soldiers? And maybe he is referred to as Pig Boss?

Quiet at Mother Base, possibly just before her assault on the base, followed by the continuation of the peace pipe scene from earlier.

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The ‘Man on Fire’, Volgin, from the hospital scene. There seems to be a lot of destruction going on.

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Ocelot twirling his guns, because he’s Ocelot. Then, the ‘Psycho Mantis’ figure. He and the Man on Fire are both part of the same group that attacks Snake in the hospital.

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Another shot from the burial scene, showing Snake’s ash covered face as the camera pans around it. One thing that’s interesting is that there has been a small change since last year to this scene, Ocelot and Huey are now standing in the back.

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Ocelot’s voice continues: “In his eyes, the greatest symbiotic parasite the world has ever known isn’t microbial. It’s linguistic. Words is what keeps civilization, our world, alive. Free the world, not by taking men’s lives, but by taking their tongues.” It’s hard to say at this point how literal we should take this, but the reason Quiet cannot speak may be related.

We are back at the scene with the mirror. Big Boss looks up at his own reflection. Maybe he is still listening to the tape here.

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Quiet in the Afghan desert.

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‘Retaliation breeds retaliation’.

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The most literal description of the theme.

Eli jumps into Metal Gear’s cockpit. Reminds anyone of MGS1?

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Skull Face: “With this, I’ll rid the world of infestation. Sans lingua franca the world will be torn asunder. And then, it shall be free.”

Continuing his reasoning seen above, Skull Face’s intention seems to be to stop Zero’s plans for world domination by fighting him with his own tool: language. Zero wants to unite the world through language, so Skull Face wants to hinder his plans in the same way. Taking away the power of words. Though the scene makes no reference of this, it’s also reminiscent of the biblical story of Babel, in which God realized that when people speak a a single language, there is no limit to what they can achieve, and so he made them to speak all kinds of different languages, so they could no longer understand each other.

Big Boss is being chased out of the cave by the Metal Gear (piloted by Eli?) As said before, we know from MGS1 that Liquid had some kind of love-hate relationship with his father, and he desperately wanted to surpass and ‘destroy’ him.

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Skull Face seems to have captured Snake, who is hanging upside down form the ceiling. Is this before or after they were working together? Is Skull Face betraying him? This could be one of the famous torture scenes that can be found in every installment of the series.

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Big Boss is still being chased by Metal Gear, but it gets stuck between the cliffs.

Big Boss fires his rifle at an unknown target, it’s the same scene we saw at the end of the Red Band trailer.

The title screen. Instead of fading in, the letters are fading out, maybe to emphasize the theme of ‘lost language’ – words being taken away.

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Big Boss in the hallway, probably just before or after the scene of him walking across it.

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‘Phantoms breed Destruction’.

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Probably foreshadowing the depths Big Boss and his comrades will get dragged in by Skull Face and Zero, and his own lust for revenge.

Big Boss at Mother Base. The camera moves around him and reveals Metal Gear – and Skull Face. If you look closely it is almost as if Skull Face appears out of nowhere. Some people even speculate that he may be a figment of Snake’s imagination, a symbol of his ‘evil side’. It looks like Snake is wearing heavy armor, some kind of flak jacket. Maybe the Diamond Dogs are preparing for a battle?

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As the song fades out, the tape ends as well.

Snake walks past the mirror, but stops to take a look at his bloodied face, a large horn sticking from his head. He sees a monster, and smashes the glass.

Skull Face: “The chain of retaliation is what will truly bind this world together as one.”

The trailer is almost over, but there’s one more surprise. We get a close up of Eli. The camera moves to the side, and we see an identical boy to his left. Meanwhile, we hear the voice of Big Boss: “Les Enfants Terrible, Zero called it.” It appears as though these two boys are the twin clones, David and Eli, who would later become Liquid Snake and Solid Snake. This also explains why they look exactly alike. The only confusing part is that according to MGS1, Solid Snake had never met Liquid before and didn’t even know about his existence. Either Kojima retconned this fact for the game, or something else is going on. One other thing is strange: not only their faces are identical, their scars are too.

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‘V Has come to’.

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The trailer is over.

Konami published another trailer during the E3, a shorter one, but with some new scenes. We’ll discuss those scenes below. On a side note: some of the scenes that are in both trailers have some differences, like time of day, outfit, amount of blood on Big Boss. According to Kojima, this was done to show off they are dynamic and change depending on how you play.

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But onto the new scenes.

Huey working on Metal Gear (ZEKE Mark II?).

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Kaz hands over a rifle to someone off screen, Snake probably.

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Snake closes the helicopter door as it takes off. Maybe this is before the crash in the long trailer?

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Ocelot looks over his shoulder at Kaz, this seems to be from the torture scene, and they’re working either Huey or Quiet.

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A group of enemy soldiers, armed with rifles and bipedal mechs.

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Big Boss and Quiet fighting on Mother Base. Big Boss disarms Quiet of her knife.

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Quiet and Code Talker. They appear to be inside Mother Base, you can see the generator that powered the cattle prods used to torture Quiet. Is Code Talker also being interrogated? It appears as if his hands are tied behind his back (which is the same for the other subjects, Quiet and Huey), although we can’t really be sure about this.

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Big Boss running away from an attacking tank.

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Skull Face interrogating Huey, he doesn’t seem happy. Looks like it takes place at the Metal Gear base inside the cave.

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Here we see the Man on Fire and the Mantis again. Looks like they won’t just show up in the hospital scene, as this clearly takes place inside Metal Gear’s hangar at Mother Base. Someone translated the text on Mantis’ straightjacket, and it translates to ‘Leningrad University of Parapsychology’.

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Big Boss aiming his gun, probably at Eli who’s hijacking Metal Gear in the next shot.

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A bit of a lighthearted scene to conclude: Big Boss and Quiet demonstrate an inventive way to light a cigar using a sniper bullet.

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So, that’s it. Lots of new stuff to take in, and while it’s fun to try and piece it all together, we also know that we can never really predict how it will all fit together in the end. For that, we will have to wait until September.

  • Ol’ Jack Burton

    I thought the female E2 Skull was particularly interesting. The glow of her mechanical eye seems to add further fuel to the “The Parasite Unit are the now-evil Para Medic’s proto-Gray Foxes” theories that have been around since 2013, but her jump suit looks almost as if its an early version of the ones worn by the B&B Unit.

  • gerber

    To me this trailer was Kojima’s message: “you think you have my game figured out? I’ll show you how wrong you are”. Can’t wait to go through the story in September! I haven’t been excited for a game like that since I was a kid. Now I feel like kid excited for christmas, and for that I thank you Kojima.

  • bushin

    The two twins at the end I think its just both eli in my opinion. sort of like a more evil side of him awakens. It almost looks like as it pans in on his face he aged and we see mgs1 liquid.

    • It could be, in the same way other characters may be imaginary (such as Volgin or even Skull Face), but at the same time in the trailer we hear Big Boss mention Les Enfants Terribles, so the editing suggests they are Solid and Liquid. Of course, it could be edited like that on purpose, to mislead us. 🙂

      • bushin

        Aha that’s true, kojima is a very clever editor. He knows exactly what to show to get the fan’s going crazy! Leaving us with more questions then answers is such a tease!

  • Venom_Sina

    Another great article written by Nyxus.Thanks Boss,will read ASAP when I get home.

  • Raymondius

    First I kneel before our @Nyxus. Then, time to read.

  • Sly

    Not only the scars on the so called twins but also their shirt and necklaces too.

    • Yeah but they could be simply dressed the same way.

      • MichaelPayneV

        Or they could be using the same 3D Model for the Trailer, and in the Final game “Solid” will be dressed differently and maybe even have brown hair!

        • Raymondius

          That sounds crazy but I’ve thought that too, you know, ’cause that has happened lots of times in MGS trailers. It would’ve been done to ‘hide’ the fact that he is Solid.

          • MichaelPayneV

            Not really, for example Arkham Knight, where you see Batman break someone’s Hand in an Official Demo, you see him in the Armored suit, when in the actual Game at that point he has the Arkham City suit.

            This would be the same, a Placeholder identical model for Spoiler reasons!

          • Le Guy who drowned quiet

            shinkawa said that ss had blonde hair before so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

          • MichaelPayneV

            Well, that’s something new for me!

  • Solidus Türk

    Mantis and Eli has the same red bandana maybe the twinsnake is just mantis.

    • MichaelPayneV

      So Mantis could be a surviving “weak” Snake from the other 5 that were “allegedly” killed?

  • Shalashaska

    Great Nyxus! Wonderful stuff, Somethings I didn’t not even notice! Great Work!
    TO KOJIMA PRO! And to NYXUS ! I cant wait for September 1st!
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    • Mini gear

      I thought the time affect was a 4chan rumor?

  • TheUppu

    Could the mammal pod shown on the trailer be the pod that contained the boss’ AI?

    • Perhaps, but PW suggested it had been destroyed.

      • Venom_Sina

        Maybe they recovered it somehow.You know,people like Huey and Strangelove can do these sorts of things.

        • TheUppu

          Thank you ^^ this totally is an awsome community as anyone can see from the comment section.

          It would be so cool if snake could talk to the boss and clear the “misunderstanding” he got from what the boss’ ai did in the end of pw

      • TheUppu

        Thank you for the awsome article btw! It’s allways a treat to read the news and articles posted here, so i decited to join the discussions too 🙂

        It probably is not the boss’ one then. I got the Impression it sank deap in to the ocean but it might as well have been destroyed at the same time

        • Venom_Sina

          Welcome,Brother.It’s nice to see more people joining this great community.

        • Gatsu

          Welcome :D, there is never enough Diamond Dogs here! Glad to have you with us ;).

        • Strangelove says that Peace Walker is ‘drowning itself’, so that could suggest that by sinking into the lake it is also destroyed (sort of like a suicide). But it could have survived nonetheless. They did recover the warhead, by the way.

          • cardboardbox engineer

            any pod would do,,,, if i remember correctly at the end of PW we take out all of BOSS’ chips…. so it would be a matter of replacing those onto a new pod

        • TheUppu

          thanks to everyone for welcoming me! Proud to be a part of this and so very excited for the game. Game of all time for sure. I don’t get why people aren’t as hyped for it as we are. They should see all the possibilities this game has. I mean you can do anything in the game! That is how games should be and we should settle for nothing less.

      • MichaelPayneV

        Or was it, are we sure Skull Face didn’t stole it, making Big Boss think that it was destroyed, to later give it so snake years later, when the Technology would allow him to evolve it, HELL, maybe this is the reason Skull Face put Snake in to Comma, to prove a point!

      • Mini gear

        We’ll anything is possible at this point with Paz being somehow back one way or anouther

    • Shalashaska

      Considering that it shows when they talk about Boss’s Will could be a hint at it.. Maybe you can have a salvage operation to salvage what was left of PeaceWalker.

      • TheUppu

        that’s what i was thinking! It could be a mission that was optional or only unlocked if you do things the right way, so that you can further enhance Snakes “right” path. Doing things nonlethal ofcourse

        • Shalashaska

          or it could be story line.. you know..because thats how the story goes.. thats they are trying to achieve in the future games “the boss’s will”

  • MrVux007

    Few minor details…1)Snake shot 3 soldiers in the torso area,while he shoots one of the soldiers in the head(also to add up,the last soldier seemed dazed by something,like he is losing control)
    2)Keep in mind that Big Boss doesn’t necessarily go to the dark side as Akio Otsuka mentioned in some of the previous interview…i guess we shall make judge of that after we play the game
    3)There are some theories about that peace pipe…one of them being this:after snake smokes it,he will go on some sort of dream journey(hence the scene where we see him being chased by some rocks(resembling his shrapnel-horn stuck in his head) while driving a jeep in desert area)
    4)Also Kaz has the same grey eyes as the *Skulls* or *Those who dont exist* soldiers

    • MichaelPayneV

      3)That i hope is true, ever since Max Payne 2 i miss the “Nightmare” Section from Video games, the Journeys, i was disappointed that Max Payne 3 had none of that, so i would be sooooooo happy if this is the case!

      • decoyF0XX

        Far Cry 3 was the shit!

        • MichaelPayneV

          True, but i bet MGSV Nightmare section will surpass it by miles!

          • decoyF0XX

            Of course!!

          • decoyF0XX

            Btw I hope we get to play poker in motherbase too! That’d be epic, playing against Ocelot and Kaz. Quiet would probably have the best poker face since she never smiles XD

    • asdasdfd

      3): I didn’t think in that, thanks .

    • Venom_Sina

      3)Yeah.Something like Scarecrow’s fear gas that caused hallucinations for Batman in Batman:Arkham Asylum.Good theory.Thanks.

    • Maurycy Zarzycki

      Actually those rocks seem to me like the things that Quiet leaves behind her when she fast-moves in the jungle gameplay trailer, just with more kick to it so I’d rather guess it’s skulls he’s running away from.

    • prothy

      So about 2), going to the dark side – if he said that Big Boss doesn’t NECESSARILY go to the dark side, is it slightly possible that it depends on some choices the player makes in the game?

      • MrVux007

        Possible,Kojima pro team did highlight A LOT that choices will influence the game plot and characters…so i guess that also overs the main character Big Boss…but in the end its always up to the players perspective

    • Mini gear

      wernt kazs eyes like that before?

      • MrVux007

        that’s when he was high

        • ddmaster

          Yeah, been on that phantom cigar little too long.

  • The Phantom Pain achievements leaked. (Watch out if there is any spoiler, i didn’t read it)
    http://www.gamerinabox.com/?page=game_1513_succes_360&lang=2

    • Gatsu

      Yes contains trophies about various things, but also names of Story Missions. Possibly real so don’t read if don’ wanna know and lets not post them here as they can be spoilerish sort of :).

      • No worries.

        I just checked it, there are secret achievements, so probably those will be from the main story. But don’t clic on these or you will get spoiled.

        ·300 items developed.
        ·All missions with S Rank.

        Ok, we will have game for a couple of years, maybe even more… :O

  • MichaelPayneV

    “The only confusing part is that according to MGS1, Solid Snake had never met Liquid before and didn’t even know about his existence. Either Kojima retconned this fact for the game, or something else is going on.”

    Your answer is here!

    “words, to control the subconscious.”

    TB;DR: (Too bored, didn’t read): Solid and Liquid’s minds could have been erased through “words” that controlled their subconcious to not remember ever meeting each other in their life!

  • jhsnake

    I think that one is Eli , but the other person is not David . It may be the imagination of Eli or perhaps Decoy Octopus . Why? The scars on the two are identical , and when the first ” Eli ” sleep then the other awake! Something was completed and the other could “wake up” with the evil look like “I’m ready “

    • MichaelPayneV

      Actually the look the other one has screams “Solid Snake” that’s Solid Snake’s look!

    • Yes, it could also be in Liquid’s mind perhaps. He knew of Solid’s existence, right? Maybe that’s what he imagines Solid to look like, an exact copy of himself, since they’re clones.

  • Gatsu

    Excellent piece of writing Nyxus, we have been waiting for this <(^O^<)!

    My thoughts:

    About the bloody hallway scene. That horn is really damn huge when he has become "a demon", so I wonder if it's really so huge in that scene or is Big Boss imagining the size of it. This scene might not happen right after the Nuclear trailer ending, where BB shoot the DD soldiers, because there the horn is still in pretty small size. So either it grows bigger after it or a hallucination that it's so large. But anyway I know it's a game so give me all the demon horns you got Kojima :D. Also worried about what happen when it come off :(…..

    The weird "horn" rocks, that are chasing Big Boss in the jeep, I've though if it's some supernatural enemy moving underground so the ground pops up like that. Not sure, or then he's just seeing things D: .

    The scene with earplug in the dudes throat, it reminds me of Chico in the GZ. He plugged that cord into his chest, I mean I still don't know what the heck that was about. Skull Face's early experiment? Poor Chico… Unless I've a very bad memory and it was mentioned somewhere what that was lol.

    I think Big Boss is still listening to the tape sent by someone, in the mirror scenes. I'm excited to see what the tape is saying. For example "It's languistic" part when Big Boss suddenly looks at himself and then the mirror smashing scene. Maybe the tape was sent by Zero or Skull Face, but I hope we actually get to see Zero in TPP too and not just hear from him :).
    Also wonder what Big Boss, Kaz and Ocelot are talking about in the machine room/interrogation room. When Big Boss turns his head towards Kaz.

    I think the 2 Liquids in the end could be Liquid & Solid, or somehow 2 Liquids. Then if Big Boss somehow kill one of them in the game…just image father killing own son… Big Boss might not know there's 2 Eli. It would drive Big Boss even more into a madman. Perhaps the Liquid we see in Metal Gear is the other one (if it's Liquid, I think so) and Big Boss have no choise but to kill him 'cause the brat go crazy…just a weird theory lol.

    IF it is Solid, then I believe Solid gets brainwashed somehow so he forgets all about Liquid towards the end. "Words to control subconscious" or Psycho Mantis has something to do with it, using them uber powers.

    The Kaz's empty sleeve scene will be powerful…"the body I've lost".
    Amazing to think that we've seen so much trailers, but still so many questions and confusing scenes.
    Sorry for long post, loved reading it all Boss :).

    • MichaelPayneV

      Keep it up, that was a great comment, and you also brought some interesting points, liek the underground creature, and Snake having to kill one of the Liquids!

      • Gatsu

        You too :), we though about the same idea it seems of Solid :D. I can’t wait to see this article filled with weird theories muahahahaa! *grabs popcorn*

        • MichaelPayneV

          I have one.

          It seems like Skull Face can bring people back to life, Volgin and Paz for example, so what if Big Boss dies in GZ, and 9 years later he is brought back to life by Skull Face, and kept alive by the Horn, and Skull Face intentionally killed Big Boss and brought him back to life just to prove an point, that is is basically a GOD?

          If so, this would explain why Big Boss reappeared in MG2 and again in MGS4, all thought David Killed him twice!

          • Raymondius

            See, that’s a really interesting point and would be SO COOL if treated with subtlety. See my post up there, I talked about this theme (death and paranormal things going on),

          • MichaelPayneV

            It would also be awesome to see Skull Face come to Solid at the End of MGS4, to tell him that he passed the Test, that he surpassed his Father, and and that as a prize, he’ll make him young and cure hi, from Fox Die…and then have Solid Shoot Skull Face in the Head and say something like “I Never asked for this!”

          • Raymondius

            lol

            You know, a flash forward with Solid final moments could be interesting.

          • MichaelPayneV

            Maybe even have a 40/50 year old Quiet looking at Solid and Big Boss throught the scope, and crying while seeing Big Boss die.

          • Gatsu

            Lol

          • MichaelPayneV

            I actually don’t find it funny at all, but heartbreaking if a scene like this is in MGSV!

          • Gatsu

            True :(.

    • Raymondius

      God, I gotta love reading all our impressions! 😀

    • Le Guy who drowned quiet

      The first parapsychology lab was opened in Leningrad.reminds you of someone

      • Gatsu

        Hmm yes it does :D.

  • Raymondius

    So, just a few things.

    -The trailer in which we see Snake CQC-fighting wasn’t Red Band but Nuclear (stupid minor detail).

    -In my opinion, there is also another theme going on in the subtext: death and what’s beyond. Yes, Kojima said about 20% of the game would be ‘paranormal’ things, and here in this trailer we get really deep into it. The ‘phantom’ thing starts to make sense, with Skullface potentially being a real ghost in Boss mind (at least at some point in the game), but also with Volgin and Paz. Think it again, Paz could possibly be a real ghost, some sort of hallucination. We see her with the exact same scar she had in GZ (even with the same blood) and who is with BB in that scene? Ocelot, the only person in the series with the capability of comunicating with ghosts (skill inherited from his father). Maybe Skullface and the horn are somehow helping Snake to see dead people. Then, we see real zombies. The Skulls or Parasite Unit really feels like it. And finally, we have the title itself of the song: elegia (elegy). Personally, I have no doubt Kojima seeks redemption for his nanomachines thing so the death itself and what’s beyond will be a major theme in the game.

    -That zombi soldier with shorts as well as the ones we see in the second trailer could possibly be rhodesian reservists. So… Frank, at last? Who knows.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Rhodesian_reservists_on_patrol.jpg

    Been a pleasure reading it, @Nyxus:disqus! 🙂

    • Thanks for pointing out the mistake. And some interesting points there!

    • Ol’ Jack Burton

      You know, with all this talk about TPP incorporating Lynch and J-horror influences, I’d honestly kinda like it if it expanded on whole Sorrow thing a bit and went out into some batshit insane borderline-Sixth Sense territory.

      • Raymondius

        Those are exactly my thoughts. If this is handled with Lynch’s subtlety, this could be awesome.

        • Ol’ Jack Burton

          Absolutely man, I thought your post was a very good one. That being said though, Kojima broadening his stylistic horizons and wearing his non-action influences on his sleeve a bit more hurts all the more knowing that Silent Hills was canned 🙁

          • Raymondius

            Do not remind me that… :'(

      • Totally agree. The Sorrow was such an interesting character, and yet we never really got to learn much about him.

  • CrazyGuy207

    “Maybe I shouldn’t have smoked that shit.”

    • MichaelPayneV

      Wo man, this stuff was good, it made me see gigantic Mechs following me, and some zombie like creatures, and also female ones with nicie titieeeeeees, and a weird Deep Friend Joker looking Zoro….man, what a triiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip!

      • Mini gear

        do you mean? what a thrillllllll…,

        • MichaelPayneV

          Yeeeeeh man, and there were are words that kill, they killed everyone maaaaaaaaaaaan!

  • Just wondering…
    We already know that
    SPOILERS about Snake (Hmm, when we can have a spoiler button here?) Those who read the magazines already know this














    “108 foreign body parts from different people.”

    Nobody thought about putting a new eye? Hmm… This made me think tooooo much. 😉

    • That wasn’t about body parts, but foreign bodies, material that isn’t part of Snake’s body (shrapnel, bone, teeth).

      • MichaelPayneV

        So he is like Tony Stark over 90000?

      • Hm, well, english is not my mother language (Skullface approved, lol), what are the differences, mate? I still don’t get it.

        Thanks for correct me 🙂

        • They mean parts that don’t belong to Snake’s body, and that aren’t put there on intention (like when they would replace an eye). Similar to how some war veterans still have grenade shrapnel inside their bodies because they can’t extract them.

    • MichaelPayneV

      Hold on, are we playing as Frankenstein?

    • Gatsu

      Remember e3 2013 trailer, one of the last X-ray images show pieces inside Big Boss.
      https://youtu.be/NL4ZxDWLwpM?t=490

      • Ahh, that makes sense now.

        Ok. But what are those things? People exploded into Snake body?

        • MichaelPayneV

          No, bodies as in unknown fragments.

        • Gatsu

          I have a guess that bomb fragments and some other we don’t know.

          • Yeah and parts of other people’s bodies if we are to believe the preview that mentioned those (other people’s teeth and bones, from people who were standing close to Snake when the explosion happened).

          • MichaelPayneV

            So this is not a deleted scene, but what happened after Paz explosion?
            http://nerdrepository.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/metal-gear-solid-v-trailer.jpg

          • Gatsu

            Not to write about what previews said. But I believe we see this in the beginning of TPP OR start right off the coma table and get a flashback to this scene later.

            They HAVE to show this scene, it look so beautiful really …and we have to know the answer how the hell do they get into the hospital :O !

          • MichaelPayneV

            Well my theory is that the choppers don’t crash, that they miss each other, but that during he time till they get to the hospital, Snake hangs like we see him here, and and some point due to blood loss he faints and falls in to the comma!

          • MichaelPayneV

            EDIT: You can see it in his eyes that he is exhausted, that he looks like he lost A LOT of blood, and that he is about to faint!

          • I’m wondering also, where the hell is the shrapnel in his head when the hospital scene shows up in the end of Ground Zeroes. Can anyone see if there is any shrapnel there?

          • MichaelPayneV

            There is a wound, it is inside there, but we can’t see the wound properly because is a Video Game after all.

            How i know the “Horn” exists in his head? In Ground Zeroes PC Files, there is the 3D Model of The Horn spawned inside Big Boss’s head right after Paz explodes!

          • Gatsu

            If look really closely, I think we can see some sort of mark/wound above his eyepatch. And the bigger mark, not sure is it the hair or the horn. There’s probably a wound but it’s hidden inside, during 9 years it grows out as some has said previously.

            http://i.imgur.com/GsgV1lx.jpg

          • MichaelPayneV

            Plus in the PC Files of GZ you can find the 3D Model of the Horn spawned inside Big Boss head during the Final Cutscene!

            This also confirms that Venom Snake IS Big Boss!

          • Gatsu

            This has been my theory since the ages long ago lol, even though the choppers seem to collide in GZ ending maybe they somehow miraculously avoid crashing. Can’t see Kaz or Chico in there behind him, perhaps they went unconscious or are laying low.

            i still want to know what he is looking at.

          • MichaelPayneV

            Nah, if you look closely at the animation, they 90% pass each other!

          • Cipher

            When he fell into a coma in the first trailer there wasn’t a shrapnel in his head, I thought maybe he woke from that one and went back to look for survivors (the photo) and another accident happened and gave him the “horn”

            But now I’m not sure 🙁

          • Gatsu

            Maybe in this scene he has it inside the skull, but manages to somehow stay awake lol. Until collapses later.

            Rewatching the old scene, and can see some weird mark above his eyepatch. Note that in GDC trailer the horn was lower than it is now in the trailers.
            http://i.imgur.com/zxnQWwD.jpg

          • I understood it in the other way the first time i read the magazine then, that Snake was constructed with other parts, hahaha.

            Many synonymous 😛

            Thanks everybody for correct me 🙂

  • Cipher

    Great review.
    I’m interested to know about this new theme ” Language”

  • Cipher

    About the identical twins, I think that was some kind of a reflection of Liquid
    anyway, I’m not really excited about the – twin snakes –
    I find Big Boss’s story far more interesting
    so I’m ok if we don’t see Solid

    • invader_skoodge

      Yeah, you would say something like that……..ZERO!!!!! lol

  • FZJanimated

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvJBuvkOUQw just wanna share this amazing fan made song ,i wish they used it in MGS TPP in some way 😛

    • Gatsu

      Woah that’s pretty awesome :O. I like it :), sounds very Metal Gear.

  • MichaelPayneV
  • MichaelPayneV

    Wow, wow, wow, wait, is that, Code Talker behind Quiet?

    • It must be a big pimple in the nape of Quiet, lol. 😛

  • FZJanimated

    Im not sure yet that the end of the trailer is Eli and David ,maybe is something related to Eli double personality or something ? or some kind of monster growing inside of him? i dont know kojima likes to play with symbolism alot ,so not sure yet. i got the impression of Eli trying to calm his inside voice his inner evil voice or something…

    • MichaelPayneV

      I think the other one is Solid, you can see it in his eyes that he has that SOLID “Kept you waiting, huh?” look, and i think that they used the exact same model of Liquid and not David Solid’s Model for Spoiler reasons, to reveal it just for people who can “read between the life” it was not a “In you face” reveal.

      • Gatsu

        I hope he don’t say “Kept you waiting, huh?” with David Hayter’s voice. That would be weird.

        • MichaelPayneV

          Well, Hayter’s normal non Snake voice a little high pitched would sound like a teenage Snake!

  • RoderickThe13

    Great analysis! The most puzzling part to me is Skull Face appearing out of thin air at the end. If he was really in BB’s imagination thst eould raise too many questions, but what if he dies at some point and then comes back to haunt BB as a phantom in his head?

    • Gatsu

      Could be the reason :).

    • Ol’ Jack Burton

      I could see this. Kinda a retread of sorts of Liquid telling Snake that he enjoyed all the violence, to the point where it exacerbated Snake’s PTSD and caused him to start suffering auditory hallucinations, only this time it’s Skully manifesting himself physically in BB’s head.

    • MichaelPayneV

      I have a more plausible theory, a ladder!

  • Cartmangus

    Great analysis, man. My favorite part “Ocelot twirling his guns, because he’s Ocelot.”

    Really enjoyed this trailer and it was great getting a little more insight into one of the themes of the game, and like I pointed out before it definitely made me more optimistic with regards to a more silent Big Boss, before this, Kojima’s decision to just have him talk less seemed a little uninspired, but with language and its power being a large theme of the game I have no doubt that there is more to it than Kojima simply wanting a more silent protagonist.

    The Eli and Paz bits are indeed puzzling. The sound that plays during the Eli bit at the end reminded me a little of the sound we heard when we saw Psycho Mantis in the TPP debut VGA trailer, so maybe he has something to do with why Eli is maybe looking at himself. Of course the easiest answer is definitely that it is Eli and David, specially with Boss’ comment at the end. Paz I got no fucking clue.

    • Gatsu

      Yeah that Ocelot part made me smile :), lol. I’m confused of that Paz scene too, weird stuff which is why I love Kojima’s trailers ;D.

  • ElAlca

    “Big Boss is watching you” In the 1984 novel (which I read because of MGS V) there are cartels that say “Big Brother is watching you”, so… who is the Big Brother? He’s like the bad guy, the “entity” (because through the book he is only mentioned) who has taken the control over Oceania through the language, among others elements. Is Big Boss going to be like the Big Brother?

    • Raymondius

      Don’t think so. Although the cartel is indeed a reference of the Big Brother, I think we can safely assume that our Big Brother will be Zero. He really is, actually, in later games.

      • ElAlca

        It could be, Zero is like the entity who controls everything, but no one can see him. I need this game NOW. xD

  • Shadow Who Walks

    The longer horn seems to be a hallucination that symbolizes BB’s demonic side when he is all bloody. If you take a look at the x-ray shot at the 9 minute trailer, the shrapnel is too small.

    http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130610180119/metalgear/images/9/93/Men_Become_Demons.png

    In an other scene BB stands in front of the weaponized bathroom’s mirror with a significantly less amount of blood. It seems that the bathroom is BB’s thinking chamber where he visits multiple times through the story to symbolize his transformation. The climax would be when he breaks the mirror after he slaughters his own men.

    I am thinking Kaz might be suffering from Cataract. Bright light would make it worse, so Kaz would have even more reasons to wear his aviator. It has a variety of causes (including drugs and radiation) and it is treatable, so it would be the best conclusion; kinda hard to supervise Solid Snake’s training being blind while having crippling injuries.

    No way Paz survived a bomb exploding inside of her body. Notice that she is naked and looks emotionless/uninterested, which implies that she is an experiment. Cloning would be the best conclusion.

    You see that guy with the headphone stuck inside his throat? Chico had a headphone stuck inside his chest during Skullface’s torture, which implies that the facility with the weird purple tumor thing and Paz clone is run by him. There is also someone with stomach scars similar to the ones Paz got from the bomb implant, which suggests that Skullface is back to his old habits.

    The Skulls were called “Parasite Unit” by the OXM preview, what if the “Parasite Unit” reefers to a specific type of Skulls? There are three plausible conclusion for the Skulls with Quiet’s powers:

    1- They are clones of Quiet.

    2- Quiet is an escaped clone.

    3- They found a way to add Quiet’s powers to brainwashed test subjects, and they can only add them to females.

    I find the third one less likely; if they are cloning Paz, they sure as hell are cloning supersoldiers.

    The soldiers in the scene of people being torn apart by a crashed helicopter’s blades are XOF soldiers, so it seemed that the helicopter that got swallowed by the flaming whale does crash. A soldier that got hit literally explodes with purple liquid-like substance before the whole thing dissappears, an other have his arm torn off with red blood visible before exploding in a similar fashion, so I am not sure what is the deal with that. Maybe hallucinations are the new nanomachines?

    Is it me or does Snake (horns and all) appear on the left wearing a gas mask just before the man being burned alive in mother base appear? If so, the gas mask would be one of the head item (like the chicken/egg hat) in the customization menu.

    http://i.imgur.com/ncYiFnC.png

    A quick reflection on the events of Ground Zero would prove that Skullface is a real person. My guess is that Skullface dies before the scene where Snake is wearing the cool battlearmor (maybe using the shotgun shown with the figurine) after Snake adopts some of his ideals, and that would symbolize Skullface’s ghost giving his approval and being by BB’s side even after death.

    The other Eli doesn’t just have identifcal hair color and style, but he is also wearing the same clothes and necklace. My guess is that Liquid recently learned that he is a clown, and is trying to imagine what his twin brother looks like.

    • Gatsu

      Good stuff :). The horn could be a hallucination, but in Nuclear trailer screaming scene amongst the corpses, there it is quite huge. But it still could be a hallucination, Big Boss sins pile up and he starts to think he is a demon. A hero no more.

      Interesting point about Kaz condition, dont know much about Cataract myself.

      Also yes it’s Big Boss wearing some mask. Most likely a gas mask in the fire scene.

    • Justin Wentz

      It’s certainly interesting to go back to earlier trailers but you have to keep in mind that sometimes small things get tweaked. The x-ray illustration is basically from forever ago so it could very well be somewhat out of date. I can imagine Kojima experimenting with all sorts of horn sizes throughout the development of this.

  • J.Wayne

    This is a good read, very detailed. I watched the trailer multiple times and was caught up in it’s awesomeness that i missed alot of stuff!

    I love how it’s directed, the camera shots and the narration throughout. The New Order’s Elegia song fits perfectly with the theme of the Phantom Pain, very chilling and dark.

  • Gatsu

    Put this playing while reading this stuff, epic feels. Love this full version :D…can’t stop listening ^_^.

  • Golgari

    Things are so confusing when you see Paz. But to be honest I expected that. I remember one of the last episodes of Kojima Station mid December or at the “Christmas”. Paz actress said that she was happy to record some more lines. I said back then: “WTF?”

    Thank you Nyxus for your great analysis. It’s great.

  • Javier

    At the end, the 2 elis are going in helicopter.
    I have a little big question. The project les enfants terribles started before peace walker. How was that project? Zero obtained dna of snake trough a blood sample? Kaz has something to do?
    I dont know some things of the saga.

    • MichaelPayneV

      seeing how Both Solid and Liquid actually look like a combination between Big Boss and Quiet, i would say that Les Enfants Terrible was started by Zero/Cipher, and finished by Skull Face!

    • Gatsu

      I remember reading about it, that it happened after some battle or something. First i thought he was in coma and then the sample was taken, but can’t be.

      As Kojima said 1-2 years ago, Big Boss has been only once in a coma. Not in 2 or 3 and we find out in the end of TPP how it all happened. It has to be MGSV coma.

      Perhaps the DNA was taken through a blood sample as you said, perhaps after being injured. Project start secretly supervised by Zero and Big Boss kept in the quiet of course about the new project. Zero afraid of losing the legendary soldier in battles. Then somehow BB found out about it angrily, but hopefully learn more details in TPP. I don’t remember Kaz being mentioned having a part of it.

  • 홍성철

    burning man scene-BB wear a mask and aim the handgun. probably somekind of BioChemical Lab.

    Skull soldier and falldown mobil command chopper scene – it’s maybe before of crashdown and zombies scene, but there’s codetalker’s hand is show’in and he seems board in backside sit of chopper. it’s not make any sense with code talker and Quite scene. maybe that scene is first, and code talker died after crash.

    • 홍성철

      I think Mr.Kojima edit little spoilery (SkullFace Phantom over BB Scene & Code Talker’s Hand in Crash Scene).
      I hope it’s just paste bait, not my hypothesis is truth. :c

  • Batzi

    They are both Eli. They are wearing the same clothes and have the same scars. It’s a Kojima mindfuckery.

    • MichaelPayneV

      They are using the same 3D Model just for the Trailer to not spoil it, the Second one is Solid, look at his eyes, he has that “Kept you waiting, huh?” look!

      • Batzi

        They never met before MGS1 man. That’s a stupid way to introduce them since it doesn’t make any sense.

  • MichaelPayneV

    A little off Topic, but this if you want to feel nostalgic, and recap MGS3, watch this Jeremy Jahns’s Review, is also entertaining, and he makes great points on why MGS3 is a Masterpiece!
    https://youtu.be/QNXyZ9M_9Nk

    • MrVux007

      his every MGS review was cool…wish he made more trailer analysis : /

      • MichaelPayneV

        I actually agree with the “I don’t buy Huye working with Big Boss, is too coincidental” and how Hall not mentioning in MGS1 or 2 that his father worked with Big Boss, that is a plot hole, that i didn’t saw due to being a Fan-boy, so thanks Jeremmy for pointing that out.
        https://youtu.be/MjebwUpGT2k

  • invader_skoodge

    Great write-up. Now we shouldn’t read too much into the whole Liquid/Solid scene or whether they met when they were children or the fact that Miller might be blind. Kojima was going to break canon anyway, so we should keep an open mind when looking at these scenes. Let’s not turn into PythonSelkan lol

    http://kotaku.com/metal-gear-solid-v-might-break-canon-but-kojima-says-t-1462498245?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

  • ShalashaskaWasHerSon

    In the Main game Snake needs an interpreter so he can understand the Russian soldiers. In MGS3 we can clearly hear Snake speaking Russian fluently. When asked by Sokolov as to where he learned to speak it. Snake tells him his mentor taught him. Venom Snake not knowing the language could indicate that he’s not the original Naked Snake “Big Boss”. That the real Big Boss died on that chopper in Ground Zeroes. Hence the trailer footage of a dead eyed Paz clone and also the Eli clones. Venom Snake is maybe a clone of Big Boss. Another reason for the change of voice actor. A fear of mine that I hope is not true.

    Also where is Solidus Snake? He is obviously a clone of Big Boss and is clearly older (Rapid aging taken into account) then Liquid and Solid Snake. Questions I hope are answered before Kojima leaves the series forever and having to watch the series later demise. Metal Gear without Kojima is just unthinkable. Or if the above theory is true, maybe it is.

    • Gatsu

      I’ve read that damage to the right side of brain can bring memory loss, difficulty with languages, may not be aware of mental or physical changes, could make you ignore people on the left side and may make you deny ownership of left arm or leg, or something like that. Don’t remember 100% surely. Also think nothing you do is wrong.

      So I like to think it is because of the 9 year coma and brain damage, that BB forget Russian :D.

      More symptoms maybe too, but these I remember reading not too long ago. Got too much time in my hands, lol :). Hmm not sure will we see all the Snakes or Solidus, would be cool though.

      • VenomSnake1974

        Regarding denying ownership of arm or leg, this is called Alien Limb Syndrome. Don’t know if they are related somehow, but there’s also the Phantom Limb Syndrome, wich causes someone feeling pain to the missing limb. I think this is more related to the plot, starting by the title. Just think about Kaz’s words: “The body I’ve lost, the comrades I’ve lost: it’s like they’re all still there. You feel it too, doncha?”

        • Gatsu

          Yeah I know ;), phantom limb syndrome is what Kaz definitely talk about. Just wanted to point out, that for Big Boss the brain damage could perhaps cause the memory loss of language :D.

          Some of the other symptoms I mentioned just seemed to sort of fit with BB too in TPP.

          • VenomSnake1974

            I agree with you. Also, there’s PTSD issue here.

  • RJRO

    http://puu.sh/iwdnv/280657e839.jpg
    Ok, here is my theory.
    As you can see in the E3 Demo in the mother base tab in the idroid we can see a quarantine facility.
    My Theory is that Miller will be only temporaly blind and it´s a symptom of a bioweapon used by SkullFace ( the African man is part of the testing of the weapon) not only Miller can get infected but also some of your DD soldiers, and you have to search for a cure.
    Also the green bag maybe is medicine and Snake can also get infected.
    http://www.metalgearinformer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/MGSV-TPP-Checking-March-10.jpg

    • MichaelPayneV

      Where is my Mess Hall? I want my Cecile Croissants NOW!

      • RJRO
        • ShalashaskaWasHerSon

          Anyone else getting the munchies after watching this? Nice food history lesson too. I Love those Para-medic codec conversations from MGS3.

          • MichaelPayneV

            Yeah, hopefully Ocelot will be our “Fun Conversations” in MGSV, having him always talk about Music.

        • kirtanloorii

          Ladies and gentlemen. Metal Gear.

      • Le Guy who drowned quiet

        didnt love pw as much as other people but it doesnt make sense to remove the mess hall because bb wont eat.wut about the other soldiers?

    • Vegas

      Maybe whatever that guy had on the trailer is the desease. If Kaz was the sick one, he shouldn’t be in front of everyone.

  • J_muse72

    I am not 100% sure but does Solid or Liquid have blue eyes, I know Big Boss does but the first kid in the end of the trailer has blue eyes and the last one has like brown it looks like,so it’s not really clear on who is who at the end.

    • MichaelPayneV

      Both blue.

  • Scruff

    Not sure how relevant this is, if at all, but I haven’t seen anyone mention it yet

    • stocchinet .

      I’ve noticed it too, not sure what it is

      • ShalashaskaWasHerSon

        If that is Psycho Mantis. I shudder to even think of this, but maybe he’s also an Eli (Snake) clone? That red cloth parachute thingy could be just a coincidence. Although with kojima being so meticulous about every detail. There could be a link.

        • Scruff

          I was thinking the same. Was Les Enfants Terribles a project much larger than merely cloning BB?

          • Mr.Pony

            It was the base for the Genome therapy implemented on all fox-hound soldiers by the time of MGS1, if not mistaken. As for the red beret, many officers use such things (Ocelot for instance in MGS3) so it might just be a prop to demonstrate that they are some kind of officer

          • Scruff

            I think there is more significance to them having the same item of clothing.

          • Mr.Pony

            At this point it is what it is, a piece of clothing that officers generally use, from the Soviet Union to Guerrillas across Africa, it is nothing particularly different like a patch a pendent or a tattoo. Plus no one else in the Psycho-Mantis unit seems to have one besides him. You might be over-thinking it because we already know that Psycho and Liquid eventually team up.

          • Scruff

            But it would be significant, especially in a MGS game for major characters to have the same pendant/tattoo. In this instance it would suggest that Liquid and Mantis connection existed much earlier than Foxhound.

          • Mr.Pony

            From all connections between characters in MGS Liquid and Psycho is one of the weakest. They don’t share the same visions, goals or background, they just work together, its strictly professional, it was never implied that Liquid and Psycho had some kind of bond, and at this point it is a bit too late to start introducing such. There is more than enough room for Kojima to gives a few “nods of the head”, personally I’m hoping for a little Raiden a.k.a White Devil reference, or little bit of Gray Fox and Naomi, maybe even Sniper Wolf but the Liquid-Psycho relation, not a thing in my opinion, it’s just Kojima crossing the past of different characters for the sake of nostalgia, which every MGS fan loves none the less.

      • Scruff

        Red beret. Would suggest that the character we are assuming is Psycho Mantis and Eli are wearing similar uniforms. Might be a coincidence and mean nothing, but I’m inclined to believe it means they are in the same unit.

        • Raven_Sorrow

          They do be together in the Fox-Hound unit XD Maybe we will see the start of the legendary unit 😉

    • MichaelPayneV

      Red Beret

      • Scruff

        Are they wearing the same uniform?

        • MichaelPayneV

          No, which is exactly why they have a cloth to represent them, to tell you that they are part of the same Squad, exactly how Gangsters always wear their color in the back of their pants, as a “Flag”

          • Scruff

            By same uniform I meant are the wearing a unifying item of clothing.

          • MichaelPayneV

            Oh, yeah, they are.

          • Scruff

            but what does it all mean!?

          • MichaelPayneV

            This is a joke right? I just told you, they are part of the Same Unit!

          • Scruff

            And I’m asking, what bearing does that have on Metal Gear lore as we know it? Did Les Enfants Terribles have more in mind than just cloning BB. Did it have numerous goals, creating paranormal abilities for example. I’m going to assume that english isn’t your first language and you aren’t being deliberately pissy.

          • MichaelPayneV

            Les Enfants Terribles was a project meant to create 8 Big Boss clones, and killing 6 of them to enpower the remaining 2 Snakes, David and Eli!

    • Good eyes, friend! 😉

  • MichaelPayneV

    Well, now it makes sense!
    PS: Just got bored, and lazy to Photoshop it, so i hope you guys get the joke.

    • RJRO
      • stocchinet .

        I play keyboards in a band, we wrote a song about this fact

    • No Place For Hayter

      Big Boss teaching Huey a truth of life THE HARD WAY. Just except the truth Huey 🙂

  • AbdElRahmanSnake

    There’s something to point out one of the twin awakes first then sleeps . when he sleeps the other one awakes

    • MichaelPayneV

      Which is symbolism for Liquid going down, and for Solid Raising up!

      • AbdElRahmanSnake

        Or the reason of david didn’t know that liquid existed . he woke up then slept and because loquid dominating gemes he woke up earlier than snake and escaped .. So david”snake” thought he was alone in that room when he woke up

        • MichaelPayneV

          Or that.

          • AbdElRahmanSnake

            Only sept. 1St to unveil the truth .. And the it shall be free “elegia music with bb shooting”

    • cardboardbox engineer

      also the fact that they are wearing the same clothes

  • ShalashaskaWasHerSon

    The two Eli clones at the end. I hope one of them is not Solid Snake. Solid Snake has no recollection of ever meeting liquid prior to MGS1. Kojima has stated that there will be some changes to the timeline. But making the above true would just ruin MGS1. Unless Solid Snake or all the clones lose their memory. As a matter of fact, Liquid didn’t remember Solid Snake either. Now I’m afraid.

    • MichaelPayneV

      Once again “Words, to control the subconscious!”

    • When did Liquid learn about his clone brother? He sounded like he knew a lot about his history and had also been obsessing over it his whole life, being ‘the one father chose’ and all that.

      • ShalashaskaWasHerSon

        But Liquid didn’t know of Solid’s existence. Maybe he did some digging into his past and discovered that Big Boss is his father. Also Ocelot could have told him. Or his memory could be intact and that the Solid Snake clone was never involved in the 1984 Afghan/African timeline. Solid could have been on ice in a lab somewhere.

        • MichaelPayneV

          Liquid New, Solid didn’t knew.

          This leads me to believe that Liquid will escape with the Metal Gear in MGSV, and never appear again until MGS1!

          • Mr.Pony

            And what does he do with it? Metal Gear in MGS1 was a prototype developed by ArmsTech and DARPA, Liquid didn’t have anything to do with it. He escapes, that i believe, but not with Metal Gear. Didn’t Liquid went to England during his youth and did his first years in the military there?

          • MichaelPayneV

            Yes, and this would explain why he has that cloth.

  • Krayd

    I don’t think Kaz is blind, since peace walker we know he has his eyes on that condition (if you look carefully through the sunglasses on the pic of the tapes), and don’t seems that he had problems with it, unless he always was blind and have some special hability?
    Sorry for my English, I need more practice haha.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Yeah, I’m too unsure about his supposed blindness.

      Welcome 🙂 it’s great to see people coming and joining the conversations. Don’t worry to much about your English it isn’t bad, but practice away if need be 🙂

    • Gatsu

      I’m thinking the same like you and NP4H, not so sure he’s blind.

      Also welcome brother :D:D, forgot to say it earlier! You’re English is good!

  • Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but there have been numerous recorded instances throughout history where people who have sustained significant brain injuries have suffered a drastic change in personality. Phineas Gage, for example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage), was a railroad construction foreman whom, after an accident at work, survived an iron bar being shot clean through his head. Afterwards, however, he became a very different person. Whilst physical the same, he had mood swings, was angry, would often lash at at his friends etc.

    There’re also theories that damage to a person’s left frontal lobe can leave them apathetic, and unable to feel regret or remorse for the bad things they might have done. Studies suggest an underdevelopment in this part of the brain is actually what makes a person a serial killer (or at least contributes to it).

    If BB has shrapnel in his brain pushing on his frontal lobe, maybe that could be the reason for his sudden personality change, and not his thirst for revenge as we’ve been led to believe all this time?

    Just an idea.

    • No Place For Hayter

      While this idea makes sense and is a good theory, I doubt it is true, because I find it to be incredibly cheap to make Big Boss evil because he received brain damage, that would be dumb. But I could easily see it being uses to an extent, for example, he starts to hallucinate thus greatly effecting him and what he sees. He forgot a lot thus he has to relive a lot of pain, and live through new pain without all the information. He could have be more apathetic without realizing it and thus it scares when he feels less about what he does and that would drive him further into his demon persona.

      One thing is for sure Big Boss sees himself as a Demon, from the horn probably being an extension of his personal belief to his very like “Kaz, I’m already a demon”. His demon persona is not only brought out by visual things and themes and messages in the story but it is also something Big Boss firmly believes himself.

      • I agree. I HOPE that this isn’t the reason for BB’s hallucinations, because it makes way more sense (at least to me) that his hallucinations have something to do with Psycho-mantis rather than brain damage. As a plot device, it would fit so much better if the hallucinations he is seeing are part of some psychological torture, or something.

        I just thought it was an interesting coincidence worth mentioning 🙂

    • Can you believe that i was talking to my gf before i read all the replies here? And i was putting that exact example of the man with iron bar chaging his attitude and personality? Impressive casuality, lol.

      Thanks for this. 🙂

      • No problem, bud 🙂

  • Things that makes me wonder:

    ·Paz, she should be dead. Is she a clone? Or just a flashback? Maybe someone extracted the fragment parts from Snake’s body and made her alive again to get any possible answer to something?

    ·Ellie, and the guy by his side. I know people are talking about this being Solid and Liquid, but, if you clone a person, the scars are not there. I mean, i someone come to me and clone myself, the another me would be slightly different, he wouldn’t have my scars, neither my cloth style or my same hair style (to put some examples) so i think that just imagination or psychotropics in Snake’s mind.
    Both of them are exact, same clothes, same hairstyle, and same scars (in the nose and browns) it makes no sense.

    ·Code Talker, this will be nuts, but that could be the father of The Boss, or even the father of Snake, take a look at the face, put a beard on his face, and he could look alike to Snake. (But this is just a crazynuts, i know, i don’t take drugs, so…)

    ·Metal Gear, so we will see two metal gears in this game? Zeke MKII and also Rex prototype?

    ·The guy with the headphone in his throat, he seems like a Parasite Unit man, or kind of experiment. But i think they are being controlled by Psycho Mantis. Remember, Psycho Mantis uses music to hipnotize their victims, and that’s why all of those Skulls wear a headphones.
    Also, related to animals, Mantis has only one ear, in the chest. So put together Chico’s “playing” with the earplug in his chest, and put also this man, which seems to have one ear in the neck.

    ·The face of the Skull Lady (registered name for MGO, so don’t stole ma bike) makes me remember of someone, but don’t know who.

    ·Interesting to see a total blind Kaz, acting like if he wasn’t blind at all…

    ·Skullface appearing in the back of Snake, well, this is like an hangar, it could be an elevator there. He shows up slightly from bottom. Like standing up or coming from an elevator. I think he is real.

    For now, i think i put all my questions here. But i know that it will be more.
    One thing that creeps me out is that i hope there will be more scenes and characters, where are Gray Fox? Where is Strange Love, where is Solidus? Etc. I want more characters and more story, not only in cassettes, also in cut scenes. So i hope for that.

    Have a nice day 🙂

    • No Place For Hayter

      As far as Metal Gears go, we will be seeing more than just two, the scene on mother base at the end of the trailer with Big Boss in his battle dress, we see behind him a Metal Gear we have never seen before, most likely a third metal gear, though there is a chance that the ZEKE MKII won’t be completed and instead replaced with the REX prototype.

      As for Skull Face, I think he starts real but then is replaced but a hallucination. Everyone on the platform pays no attention to Skull Face despite his randomly appearing, if he were to come up from some sort of elevator he would get some attention not a half glance from Big Boss as if he is haunting him. Also from a cutscene point of view it would make no sense if he was actually real in that scene, because if he is real why make it look like he isn’t? that scene looks very special and very important so I doubt it was created specifically for a trailer to make Skull Face look fake when he isn’t, because if he isn’t fake and this scene is in the game it would be a scene that has elements without purpose, and considering Kojima is going nuts over the visual details in this game I don’t think he would put in things like that pointlessly.

      Good points, love thinking about things like this 🙂

      • It was my pleasure. I like to come with new material to debate about.
        Thanks to you for reading it too, mate.

        Have a nice day 🙂

  • Justin Wentz

    It’s crazy awesome to me that the cutscenes will accommodate both daytime and nighttime depending on when you trigger them. So cool.

    • Gatsu

      Agreed, that is freaking awesome thing to do imo :). So insanely good to see them during different times, for different playthroughs :D. Not to forget blood showing in them too.

      Btw anyone else just LOVE that lighting in the hallway scene, when Big Boss is slowly walking?
      http://share.gifyoutube.com/yX26AM.gif

      Or in every goddamn scene, Fox Engine is so fantastic <3. I loved that 40 min Afghanistan gameplay demo too. Bright blue sky and desert while listening to 80's tracks, so beautiful.

      • Mr.Pony

        That desert landscape…so good…the way the buildings just blend…Kaz will have to wait while i go sightseeing

        • Gatsu

          Yeah same here :)…

          Kaz: “Snake? What took you so long?”
          Snake: “Sorry I, uhh…I was sightseeing and collecting some 80’s songs in the desert, lol”.
          Kaz: “……..”

          • Mr.Pony

            Kaz: Boss, i lost my arm and my leg…if you were here sooner, I…

            Boss: Yeah, yeah Kaz I know, but check this awesome beat man…IT’S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN…*starts dancing*

          • Gatsu

            XD omg

  • Justin Wentz

    also, not sure if someone already mentioned it but, remember that giant floating arm during the cyborg sequence of this trailer? There’s a human figure being held upside within the giant hand. I’m sure it’s Big Boss. That’s how Skull face is suspending him upside down in the later shot.

  • kirtanloorii

    Very well written. Great work.

  • SolidAmirati

    In the previous trailers we saw Big Boss killing some Diamond dogs…

    And now we saw him after this… slaughter in the corridor, apparently, felling guilt, angry…
    Then the scene where he punchs the mirror shows that he is really pi**ed off…
    Those zombie-like sordiers in the last trailer made me think that the Mother Base it may have been attacked with some kind of bio-weapon while Big Boss was out in a mission or something…
    That explain why they seem so disturbed/dizzy.
    Then, when BIg Boss return, he MUST kill those soldiers for the Mother base/other soldiers safety…

    Sorry for bad english…
    First coment btw

    😀

    • Imre saladin

      bio-weapon .. kaz eyes .. good theory

    • Gatsu

      Interesting theory :), love reading and thinking of these.

      I have heard this mentioned couple times before that they might be either controlled by Mantis, or some sort of poison/bio-weapon as you said, in Nuclear trailer ending the 4th guy walk like a zombie “A weapon to surpass Metal Gear” :P?. Kojima want to show us the horrible things of war so could be bio. Not sure are the trailers scenes related, but could be. Fun thing about these theories, keeps us guessing and dreaming of what happens in TPP in 72 days :D.

      One of the previews said info related to the horn, which make me think he’ll hallucinate few times throughout the game and which might end up with BB making bad choices aka killing DD soldiers too.

      Oh maan, something I just realized. In GZ we saw our sweet MSF Mother Base get destroyed totally . In TPP we might see our DD MB get destroyed, or slaughtered because of Big Boss actions or something else !!! NOoooooo…

      Welcome to MGI btw :D, our Outer Heaven! Your English isn’t bad at all :).

      • Ol’ Jack Burton

        The “weapon to surpass Metal Gear” being a bio-weapon could well explain why The Patriots are working on it out of conflict-ridden Africa of all places (This is partly why I didn’t think it was referring to LET or Huey and Strangelove’s AI work that’d culminate in the AIs that took over once Zero went senile); human life there would be seen as cheap, so they’d have an area to test it out on that they could easily get away with. The “infection” being an early version of Para-Medic’s genome experiments would also fit pretty neatly into this line of thinking.

        • stocchinet .

          Maybe it’s an imperect prototipe of the fox die

          • SolidAmirati

            XOF… DIE?

      • SolidAmirati

        If it’s all about revenge… Zero or Skull Face could retaliate Big Boss throught Mother base… Than Big Boss avenge mother base through something else… so on

        At the end of GZ what REALLY made me MAD was… I RECRUITED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEN ( on PW)!!! I DEVELOPED EVERY BUILDING, EVERY WEAPON… than XOF come and kill almost everybody! destroy everything i have build!!!

        In september WE WILL HAVE OUR REVENGE!!!

        When i was i kid, i start lo learn english by myself just to understand the plot of Metal Gear Solid. haha the unstoppale cutscenes from ps1 were a problem…

        It worked well( i guess)…

        Thanks for the welcome!
        😀
        Its been a while since i follow MGI. But i did not have the guts to comment… But i realized that, as a community, we HAVE to contribute!
        It’s always fun to read all the theorys and analyzes (even if some of them do not make sense!) It’s all about the fun!

        Makes me wolder what will happen to our (If i may) Outer Heaven when the game is released…

        • Gatsu

          REVENGEEEEEE SHALL BE OURS >:O !!!

          Yeah I remember when first times played MGS1, I was 10 years old so had some problems understanding the whole story, difficult words and stuff lol :). Even though didn’t understand everything, I knew MGS1 was something so special in many ways. But when I kept playing and studied English more, notice it’s the best game saga ever.

          It took me a while too before I started commenting here XD.
          Hmmm what happen to our Outer Heaven after September 1-15, it’s a good question. We will all be busy playing TPP for sure, but I try visit here every day briefly before continuing my playthrough. And I got my tablet beside me when play TPP, so easy to check the site and try keep spoilers away from here :P. Hopefully many will stay and share experiences and other things after playing TPP :).

          Anyway, lets enjoy the last few months together ;D, might not see every friendly Diamond Dog here afterwards!

    • No Place For Hayter

      Welcome, to our private little army (though it isn’t really private lol). I like your thought process, best way to explore interesting ideas.

  • Gatsu

    Btw was thinking if we should all drop down our PSN IDs/Steam ID etc in the last articles before launch or something, like for future MGO stuff. Don’t have to of course if wanna enjoy solo gaming :), just a thought.

    Kinda shame MGO release at same time like TPP, because can’t go play it. TPP will keep me very busy enjoying the story and gameplay.

    P.S. the moment when I notice I spent all day commenting in MGI again, lol. Totally worth it.

    • Raymondius

      I won’t give it to ya. >:(

    • DDADDB

      It’s the only way to live and definitely worth it :).

      • Gatsu

        Yea was supposed to continue Witcher 3 today, but I feel something special after seeing E3 TPP trailer and the gameplay. Can’t stop watching that stuff. It’s hard to play anything else again… so I stayed here XD.

        They give me the amazing feels and I just want to play my TPP ;C…

        • DDADDB

          My Witcher 3 play time (the last time I checked) was 168 hrs or 7 days worth of play time so yeah…MGI and Witcher 3 seem to be all I know these days :).

          And Batman: Arkham Knight is out on Tuesday…My god… 🙂

    • BurntFM

      There you go. Now you can find me on MGI PSN and Steam ( b^o^)b

      • Gatsu

        Okey thanks :D!

    • Good idea, SOLIDEST here, I created that PSN name right when PS3 got released after my MGO1 name 😀

    • FZJanimated

      PSN ID in ps3 : JavierFZJ or FZJavier 😛

    • Jeff O’Connor

      Great idea!

    • prothy

      Great idea, my PSN is prothy1 but I also won’t be playing MGO immediately because of the TPP 🙂

    • Solid O. #V

      PSN: sSolid-Old

    • asdasdfd

      Alanbrex1234

    • scarecrow

      More than an Metal Gear information page, I see this as a community, i’m very happy to be part of it (i’m also part of another community but no one is interested at all)….everybody here is so friendly, i think….. I found my heaven, Thank you!
      I will play on PS3, I can not afford a PS4:( …so

      PSN: Vuilgeboost
      Looking forward to play with you all.

      • kirtanloorii

        Yeah, seriously. Everybody here is super cool. It’s like a hidden gem on the internet.

      • No Place For Hayter

        This is our heaven, and our hell, this is, Outer Heaven.

      • ddmaster

        I feel ya! Honestly this is the first community I’ve been on, period. I’ve been on various sites but this one just feels different, it feels right for me. Gotta say I’m really enjoying being around brothers who understand just how truly remarkable, brilliant and generally all around badass Kojima, his crew at Kojima Productions, and the MGS franchise truly is. I not only check the site daily for new articles but I also love just to read the feedback and commentary you guys give. I love it all!!!

        • scarecrow

          Thank you and well said comrade! That’s just what I think 😀

        • Gatsu

          I couldn’t have said that any better brother 😉 ! <3

      • Gatsu

        Well said brother :), this definitely is a special heaven. Also the first community I’ve taken a part in I think around the net, I love this place and everyone :D. Will feel sad when the waiting is over, so many months spent time with everyone ;)…but of course will stay in touch with many! PSN, Steam or here etc :).

        I’ll add you <3, and dont worry you can get PS4 some day later as it will get cheaper. It would be fun if can play MGO etc with PS3+PS4 players together.

        • scarecrow

          Thanks for your kind words Gatsu 😀 and yeah, it’d be awesome to play cross platforms. Hope we can play together someday!

    • Arestras

      We should play together… Sadly, It seems I’ll play TPP on ps3… but I’ve been saving for a ps4 so maaaybe I will own a ps4 by september.

      …Or we can make a Metal Gear Informer “CANG” (can’t afford next gen) unit xD

      • scarecrow

        You aren’t the only one! yay

      • WhatTheJuicay

        theres a light weight ps4 coming out soon. there has to be a price change somewhere. maybe you can even grab a nice bundle.

    • Chem

      i think i remember have played with you in MGO2

      • Gatsu

        Sorry I never got to play it much :(…when I bought my PS3 a bit later for MGS4. So I’m a rookie when it comes to MGO, lol :D.

    • Vegas

      I already tried doing this once but no one gave attention >:( They just like you cuz you’re Mod xD I’ll add you too, we might play a bunch of Peace Walker while the game is not out.

      • decoyF0XX

        PSN: bobbyultraa

        I might play a bit of Peace Walker soon :))

      • Gatsu

        Sure I’ll add ya all :D. Nah they dont like me lol XD <_:D.
        So not sure can I play PW at the moment :(…I miss the game though so planning to get my PS3 back soon. Got PW on PSVita too but wanna play it on my good old PS3 :D…

        • Vegas

          I have PS4 too, so we might have somethin in common. Btw i know is very relative who sees any comment here i was just kidding xD

    • Dredlokk

      I’m definitely down for it! I’ve been quite a lurker around MGI for a few months and finally decided to jump into the community, definitely one of the most united and friendly sites I’ve ever been. I’ll be playing it on the PS4 as well, (Probably on the PC at a later date) I’m going to drop my steam and PSN ID so we all can get together and have a blast in MGO.

      PSN: Erynyn
      Steam: Dredlokk (There’s another guy who goes by CaptainDredlokk but mine is hard to miss, my avatar is using a Diamond dogs beret.) Hope it doesn’t confuse anyone around!

      • Gatsu

        Alrighty. I used to be a long time lurker too, until I decided I just HAVE to start commenting in 2013 lol ^^.
        The best MG community definitely and I feel happy+proud to be part of this place :D.

        Anyway, welcome to our Outer Heaven brother 😀

    • Ozzman

      Mine is (PSN):
      old-snakes-alive

      • Gatsu

        Okey brother 🙂 also welcome to our Outer Heaven ;D!

  • kirtanloorii

    I wonder if weapon upgrades will show up in the cutscenes. I like how the armor, blood, dirt and time are reflected in the cutscenes. It would be real cool if it happened to weapons too.

    • Gatsu

      That would be really awesome. I believe they will show 🙂 and to think how much we can upgrade stuff in MB O_O…woah.

    • DDADDB

      I would say It would depend on the cut scene.

      Mass Effect for example would show your weapon load out in cut scenes but when it came for Shepard to actually use/fire it it reverted back to the default gun.

      Now with TPP Snake may very well not take any guns with him on a mission if that’s what the player chooses so then how could he use ‘his’ gun in a cut scene that called for it? like the scene from the pics, Same gun both times.

  • Raven_Sorrow
    • kirtanloorii

      You know, they just might. We saw the Boss’s Ai core. For all we know, Strangelove could be working on a side project. EDIT: not saying Paz is a Boss clone or anything. Maybe Kojima just likes the look of her.

      • Raven_Sorrow

        I’m not saying the girl is Paz. Paz blew up XD i actually dont think the girl looks like Paz 😛 But there are clones in there that could be the same age as this girl 😉 Zero cloned BigBoss to further is vision of the Boss’s world. It would just be natural he tried to clone the Boss too. The question is: would he dare?!

    • Raymondius

      I don’t see any to be honest. Are you implying that she could be her daughter? Ocelot’s sister? No way, don’t think so, would be too dumb in my opinion. lol

      • Raven_Sorrow

        Actually i was going along the lines of cloning.. As there are clones in the game.

        • Raymondius

          If I would hate anything above all, above everything else this game could do wrong, that would be anoter clone, whatever character we are talking about. It’s so cliche and such example of bad-writing nowadays that even Kojima himself said not so long ago that if he could change a thing in the entire series that would be the whole ‘clones thing’, so yeah, FOR ME, and that’s a personal and honest opinion, it is not an option.

          This girl is Paz, that’s for sure, she even had the same blood stains and surgical scars. Hallucination, maybe? A ghost? More possible than a clone for me, that’s for sure.

          • Raven_Sorrow

            Well you should be right, with all the talks about hallucination, this could be another one. It’s just the cheekbones XD We used to talk if we made a MGS movie who would we cast and the Boss was always Cate Blanchett and this girls bone cheeks just look familiar to me :/ We saw Paz blow up… Honestly it hurted me with the Boss AI in PW so i actually dont want this girl to be a clone of the Boss. I just want the Boss to rest in peace you know. She had her share of battle. Let her be. But on the other side i cant unsee the cheekbones XD

            TLDR i really hope is a hallucination XP

          • Raymondius

            You’re so right, The Boss is almost a godlike figure at this point in the series. Strangelove tried to ’emulate’ her in PW, but couldn’t. It seems we will also try something with the Mammal Pod, but The Boss story will be handled with respect for the person she was, I think.

            You are right about the bone cheeks btw. xD

          • Raven_Sorrow

            “The Boss story will be handled with respect for the person she was” Preach brother! I really hope it will 😉

    • No Place For Hayter

      While that was a thought I have seen brought up before, I think they would dare, but that character is definitely Paz, check it.

      http://i.imgur.com/gnTyHTX.png

      • Raven_Sorrow

        Well she’s built like a diamond. Even if the explosion was between her and BigBoss how could she survive the explosion seemingly unscathed while kaz and BigBoss got fiddled up so bad?! Or hallucination or this is in medias res and is just memories of Paz before being captured/tortured by Skull face :/

        Anyway, i see it in this angle, but you could get a shot from Paz from GZ to compare then this XD The style is too different 😉

        • No Place For Hayter

          OMG, sorry for coming across retarded, let me explain.

          First off, the original Paz is dead, we saw her die with our own eyes. How is this Paz then? This is a clone of Paz, hence why she is kind of vacant and unresponsive. She has the same natural hair (in both length and curls) which we do not get to see in GZ, plus she had been tortured and raped, so in GZ she will not look as natural as her clone here looks, that is why I used PW as the reference because it shows the features of Paz which we see little or none of in GZ (I also used that reference because the CG art for PW is the highest quality pictures we have of the characters in GZ and TPP before they were in either and thus looks the closest to their FOX engine counter parts). Also same eye colour etc. The trailer itself also leads us into believing this is Paz, the scene before we see Paz shows the exact scar Paz had in GZ, which gets us thinking about Paz and then the trailer shows us Paz, the trailer does this so we think it is Paz. The scar in the trailer also supports that this is a clone of Paz because the trailer shows that a duplicate of Paz’s scar on another body in TPP which means there is someone or something that is bringing up Paz and the circumstances surrounding her last day of life, which would make it easy to believe that she is a clone because we have the evidence that Paz and her death plays a role in TPP because of the scar we see.

          To me this is another case of mistaken identity, which I have seen twice before. The first time was Chico in ground zeroes which a lot of people were firmly believing that it wasn’t, despite him looking like Chico, same hair, same eyes, and even the same “x” scar on his cheek, I upon the very first time seeing Chico in GZ never once thought he was anyone but Chico. The second time was with Kaz in the redband trailer where everybody thought Kaz was Roy Campbell, despite him clearly missing the same arm and leg that Kaz was missing, and despite the fact that he had his glasses on and his hair was the same colour, I upon the first time seeing Kaz in that uniform never once that he was anyone other than Kaz. And this kind of feels the same, as to me upon the first time seeing Paz in the trailer have never thought she could be anyone other than Paz. Same hair, same eyes, the trailer leads us into thinking about Paz before showing her to us, etc. I just wish Paz had some scar or missing limbs to 100% who she is for other people, but even that wouldn’t work because she is a clone and thus would not have suffered that scar.

          • GUN®

            Are you suggesting that this clone of Paz is 9 years old?

          • No Place For Hayter

            Five possibilities.

            One, yes, because Eli (whom is a clone of Big Boss) is about 9 years or older in TPP, Paz most likely cloned around the same time as Big Boss, or a little before or after, so she would be about Eli’s age. This idea could also mean she was cloned a lot earlier than Big Boss, and thus older than Eli.

            Two, She is somehow the original Paz and thus the events we saw in GZ come into question.

            Three, Paz has always been a clone, and Zero simply had clones of her to send out as agents, this idea could tie into her being connected to the DNA of The Boss.

            Four, just like solidus in MGS2 she had rapid aging at a much younger age than Liquid or Solid.

            Five, the appearance is a hallucination, meaning that she is a real person suffering under either Skull Face or Zero, but Big Boss is projecting Paz’s appearance over hers due to the trauma and remembering about Paz and due to her circumstances being very similar to Paz’s

            I think it would probably be choice number one, four, five, or something in the timeline of events we don’t know about yet. Kind of like how we did not know how Big Boss’s horn was getting larger and smaller with no in between seemingly randomly until we knew that Big Boss will hallucinate in TPP. ideas, two and three seem retarded to me 🙂

          • GUN®

            I’d have to go with number 5 as being the most plausible on your list. I don’t think option 5 would work because the advanced aging would need to be triggered at a certain age, which would logically need to be after the clone has gone through puberty or else she would look very different indeed.

          • GUN®

            Whoops, meant to say option 4 for my second point no 5.

          • Raven_Sorrow

            I’m inclined to number 2. There are enough clones and hallucinations as it is XD so i’m going for media-in-res 🙂

            EDIT: i mean original Paz in a sense that this is somehow before she dies :p

          • Arestras

            Six, Nanomachines…

            I’m inclined to think she’s an hallucination, althought the clone theory is interesting. She would be like that girl in Evangelion (can’t remember her name right now).

          • No Place For Hayter

            You’re thinking of “Rei” and yeah, lol.

            Sorry I left out nano-machines, don’t know how I missed such an obvious solution 😛

          • Chem

            what if BB put a bomb into “this Paz” and send her to Skull Face or Zero as a retaliaton? “pain for pain”?

          • No Place For Hayter

            Man, that would be nasty.

          • Raven_Sorrow

            Wow great job on the pics!! And you never came across retarded to me! Don’t say those things about yourself 🙁

    • No Place For Hayter

      Lol, here I am discussing regular insane MGS theories back and forth, before even realizing you just joined our little party 🙂

      WELCOME, you sneaked in so perfectly it took me a while to realize 🙂 Rank S :), you just jumped straight into theory discussion, you fit right in 🙂

      • ObsessedGeorge

        He’s onboard. Leave the rest to us.

        • Raven_Sorrow

          :3 ty i’ll trust myself in your care 🙂

      • Raven_Sorrow

        :3 ty you so much 🙂

    • Gatsu

      Anything is possible with Kojima, but I dunno how I would feel about it. It does look similar to Paz, btw welcome to MGI :D.

      • Raven_Sorrow

        Aww thank you for the welcome guys :’) I been following you for a while and you are the best MetalGear community ever and i just got the urge to post here (damn yOU HYPE! XD) and i tried to sneak in here and i got caught :/ but then the warm welcome and im just like :3 Anyway thank you so much xD

  • DDADDB

    There’s no tape in the Walkman at the end. But even I think there’s nothing to it :).

  • ThreeMadFrogs

    Anyone notice that red cloth or hat that Eli has on his shoulder:
    http://www.metalgearinformer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/MGSV-E3-2015-Trailer-Eli-Conch-Pig-Head.jpg
    is very similar to what is on the shoulder of the Mantis character:
    http://www.metalgearinformer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/MGSV-E3-2015-Trailer-Psycho-Mantis.jpg

    Not sure if there’s any relation between these characters, just found it interesting 🙂

    • Raven_Sorrow

      There is: They are both in FOX-HOUND in MGS XD
      Also you came late. This was point out here a few hours ago by another user 😛 Good eye thou 🙂

      • ThreeMadFrogs

        I meant at this point in their lives, when they’re young.
        And damn, thought I caught something new 😛

    • Alex

      Yeah! I noticed that, maybe both could have a relation and at the final scene with the two Eli’s, one could be an appearance of Mantis Jr.

  • kirtanloorii

    Hey guys. My first official mod for TPP is ready. What do you think?

    • Raymondius

      HAHAHA xDD

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    • Mauricio Acosta

      I would easily pay for this!

    • Gatsu

      So cool :D!

    • snakesandfrogs

      Hells Yeah!!!

    • ddmaster

      I need that in my living room stat!

      • kirtanloorii

        Yeah. lol. That’s actually a good idea.

    • Dr. Miles Manners

      Not the most intimidating fellow, that’s for sure.

  • Alex

    Solid Snake had no recollection of Liquid, but Liquid knew him very well. I think we’ll get the origin story of how David became an agent for Cipher, while Eli managed to elude them.

  • Boldizar

    The two Elis also have the same jacket/necklace. I don’t think that is David.

    • GUN®

      Same necklaces too, or at least similar ones. I wonder if Eli is using David as his body double, seeing as he may be the leader of a child soldier group.

      • Raven_Sorrow

        i actually don’t want David to be there :/ i would love a cameo or something but not like this :p

        • GUN®

          I guess I wanna see what they do with him before I judge whether I like it or not, they could still work it out in a way that Solid only makes a brief appearance, thus not remembering anything later on.

    • kirtanloorii

      For all we know, it could be a young Solidus too.

      • ddmaster

        I wouldn’t put it past Kojima-San to have placed a double rendering of Eli over what could in fact in the game be a young David. This way he could sort of spill the beans but not entirely. This way he could still surprise us come time when we get to that point in the game ourselves. Far fetched I know. Spitballs going everywhere.

        • kirtanloorii

          That’s a good point. It’s not unusual for devs to alter some things in trailers to avoid spoilers. But remember that David never met Eli when they were children. So who knows.

    • Everyone get in here.

      Same scars on his face, too.

  • GUN®

    Sorry if I’m repeating a theory someone already suggested (don’t feel like scrolling through 253 comments) but Code Talkers’ eyes are also cloudy like Millers and we know Code Talker is at the base at some point. My theory is that Code Talker understands how to use language to control people, so he somehow possesses Miller (I know, this is a stretch but look at Mantis) and speaks through him, hence why Miller appears to be addressing the soldiers with clouded eyes while BB and Ocelot stand back.

    • kirtanloorii

      Hmm. Interesting. Anything is possible at this point.

      • Raven_Sorrow

        This is what i love about the world of MetalGear. Reality is a spring to Kojima! XD many times the elements are so plausible it could be factual and other times he streches it like “whaT?!” and still make a little bit of sense in it. Indians or Native americans have always been associated with out-of-body experiences, like Bran and Summer XD and if a e-cigar can push forward time, imagine what a peace pipe could do! XDDD

        • kirtanloorii

          I know what you mean. There are so many twists in Metal Gear that someone could play the game, spoil every last detail to me and I may or may not believe it. You could say “BB is Santa Claus” or “Kaz is the chef from MSF wearing a mask” and it would all make sense and not make sense at the same time, lol.

          • Raven_Sorrow

            XD

    • SamOp

      interesting…

    • Gatsu

      This is a good theory. Some sort of spirit possession, I’ve seen similar stuff in few movies or tv-shows.

    • Raven_Sorrow

      Btw, “use language to control people”, i know it’s non-canon but it’s the Gene thing right?

      • GUN®

        Yeah, Gene had a hypnotic type thing going on if I remember right.

    • decoyF0XX

      Whoa dude. This is a really good theory. In fact I’d say you’re probably 95% correct, the remaining 5% percent is just left out in case it’s actually another character controlling Kaz. But I think Kaz is definitely being controlled.

    • ddmaster

      Very interesting never thought of it that way. Now my wait til sept 1st just got worse aaaahhhhhhh!

  • FoxTamerMGO

    Anyone noticed how Big Boss smiles for a frame of a second when walking in the hallway covered in blood?

    • muaddib

      no, but look at the guy’s face in the choppa image
      lel

    • No Place For Hayter

      Looks kind of like an angry mouth movement, in the same way he moves his eyebrows. He does pull up the sides of his cheeks but more in a face squint-ch and not so much in a smile.

  • muaddib

    lel

    • Of topic, but your profile pic reminded me of this meme I recently saved.

  • DDADDB

    I’m starting to think…Now stay with me people..That Eli and the other twin may not even be both Liquid or Solid and may be two of the other 6 Les Enfants Terribles ‘aborted’ children.

    Zero was in charge of it all and so any results could easily be doctored.

    And If one is Liquid and the other is not Solid then that may be the reason that he hates Solid Snake so much as he finds out the he and the other Les Enfants Terribles children where never meant to succeed Big Boss.

    And were all just apart of a plan/existence that was doomed to fail from the start.

    • GUN®

      I think it’s fairly safe to say that Eli is Liquid, David is more uncertain and indeed could be a different clone that we all assumed was dead before birth.

    • Alex

      Yeah, it might be but another theory that I think it could be possible is that maybe one is the real Eli and the other is an appearance of Psycho Mantis turning into Eli, because in one scene Mantis have a red beret in his shoulder the same as Eli. But I don’t know, is just a theory. What you think guys about this?

      • No Place For Hayter

        We already have Big Boss hallucinating but I forgot we also have the psycho mantis kid messing with his head. TPP will be the most insane dark, reality messed trip we are ever going to have, lol.

        • Alex

          Exactly, and after having seen this trailer I started to be happy, sad, afraid, all kind of feeling about this game, all the theories, the plot of the game, everything. This game is also a part of my life and I can’t wait until Sept 1 to play TPP. This wait is killing me.

  • muaddib

    I’m pretty sure…no, definitely everyone noticed that kojima-san changed the game’s appearance for good, comparing this trailer with the others (like big boss shooting that imprisoned people). The game’s graphics fell a lot more cartoonized, less realistic (but it doesn’t mean it became worst, please) and more “videogamistic”,at least for me, and look at this scene below, with big boss handling a handgun and aiming at something (orly?)- if those are the same scenes, and i bet my ass those are. Look at the amount of lights, colors and neons at the changed scene. This reminded me of this kojima’s declaration: he tried to put an 80’s filter in the game, but the results weren’t that good. Looks like he’s trying to bring back this idea.
    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-5-originally-had-an-80s-filter/1100-6417682/

    • No Place For Hayter

      It looks simply more refined and defined as they further polish the game to me. I see a lot of people referring to it as cartoon-ish, but is looks nothing of the sort to me.

      But on to actual ideas. Kojima might be trying to bring it back, but it does not give off an 80’s vibe to me. Also Kojima’s original idea was some sort of filter which bogged the game down to much (which is kind of strange for a filter, that is if I remember correctly), this looks like simple edits and adjustments for game polish to me (whether positive or negative) the events and character models have been changing a lot through development, also nearly every MGS game upon release looks a lot different then the early trailers of the game.

      • Boldizar

        Yea, like the amazing original MGS4 build and how great Snake and everything looked… Sigh

    • Mini gear

      it feels more polished looking but shouldve stayed the first way in mu opinon

    • Keep in mind that the cutscenes are dynamic, maybe these two are simply during different circumstances (you can also see Snake is wearing a different outfit in both screens).

      • Arestras

        Exactly. I think lighting looks different because in the first picture the scene takes places at night, while the second is during daytime

    • Gatsu

      It looks better in my opinion and has dynamic day/night cycle in them. On the below cutscene image, I wonder if it is the place where Liquid is hijacking the Metal Gear. Perhaps happening during late evening or something, red colors flashing similar to the hangars red lights. Upper one during day so they don’t light up.
      http://i.imgur.com/vzleSyk.jpg
      Hard to say where’s the Big Boss in your below image, not sure is it the ground level or on some higher level near Metal Gear with more red lights and so that they light up better on his face?

      Same kind of colors lighting up.
      http://i.imgur.com/MRHgl2d.jpg

      Or perhaps not happening in the Metal Gear Hangar, but some of the lights show same kind of color. Just something I noticed. Anyway, Fox Engine looks fantastic imo when game’s polished so far and it shows all the other lights in cutscenes not just sunlight etc. I mean look at the bloody hallway scene, all the beautiful lighting :).

  • Dr. Blowfish

    “memes for MGS2” Never played MGS2, was it really that dank or just a typo?

    • No Place For Hayter

      Gene>Meme>Scene>Sense>Peace>Race
      MGS1>MGS2>MGS3>MGS4>MGSPW>TPP

    • Ol’ Jack Burton

      Pretty dank.

      • Dr. Blowfish

        The dankest?

    • No Place For Hayter

      Also, Memes as in “Memes” not “Internet Memes”

      • kirtanloorii

        The spreading of ideas, basically. To make the perfect soldier my emulating other great soldiers.

    • ‘Meme’ as in the cultural equivalent of genes.

      “An element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.

      ORIGIN 1970s: from Greek mimēma ‘that which is imitated,’ on the pattern of gene.”

      • ObsessedGeorge

        Or “Μίμημα”. 🙂

  • Aftershok

    Lol this is more like a trailer “summary.” Didn’t see much of that “analysis.”

    • “Analysis is the process of breaking a complex topic or substance into smaller parts in order to gain a better understanding of it.”

      This article is meant to look closely at the trailer and describe what we hear and see, without attaching all kinds of theories to it that may or may not be true.

      • Gatsu

        There’s also many scenes that are quite obvious, like Kaz’s sleeve part or some of the chopper flyings. But glad you didn’t turn the article into a long theory stuff, that’s what we’re all here for XD.

        • Yeah exactly, the comment section is where all the theories go. 🙂

          • No Place For Hayter

            Insanely so to. Lol.

  • Whatevs

    I don’t think Kaz is blind. If you look at his eyes, the African Mans eyes, and the female Skulls eyes you will notice that they are all identical. Also notice how the same green particle effect that happens when the Skulls jump is also being emitted from some of the zombie like enemies moving towards Snake and Quiet. HUMAN EXPIRIMENTATION!

  • luvs2spluug3

    when ever we see the man on fire we see psycho mantis, this makes me think the man on fire is psycho mantis messing with the bosses head making him see what was a vary strong enemy from his past

    • Boldizar

      This is most definitely it and I am pretty upset they spoiled this already.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Yeah, agreed, you can also see the psycho mantis kid on the flaming horse with flaming volgin in the GDC 2013 trailer. They are definitely connected, most likely like you said volgin being an extension of psycho mantis kid powers.

      Also, Welcome 🙂 I can see our boss is busy fultoning people to join our army 🙂

    • Bartolomeo OP Snake Eater

      It would be SO COOL if we can acquire Mantis as an assistant for ops, like DHorse & DWolf & Quiet. It would make sense since Big BAWSE is building his ultimate army!

  • Tong Ninja

    The most interesting and mysterious character is Code Talker. We don’t know what role he will play … Jay Tavare said he will speak in Navajo and english. Also said he will be a memorable character.

    • He had an awesome powerful voice. I’m interested in hearing him speak more.

      • Gatsu

        Totally agree and I’m quite certain he’s the one talking. JunkerHQ also said it is Code Talker, but they went by the Japanese voice acted trailer.

      • Tong Ninja

        He should be. 🙂
        Listen to Jay Tavare talk on youtube, it sounds similar to Code Talker but younger haha.

  • Tong Ninja

    I wonder if other characters from Peace Walker will make a return?
    Like Chico, Amanda, Cecile and Strangelove haha.

    • I wanna see Strangelove. I wonder if Huey ever grows any real balls around her.

      • Gatsu

        I’d like to see her too 🙂 and not just hear from a cassette tape.

      • Le Guy who drowned quiet

        a journalist who played the game said you can discover what happened to her in a tape.

        • FZJanimated

          in tapes?…really? i hope it doesnt happen the same with amanda and cecile…

      • Tong Ninja

        Strangelove was an interesting character in Peace Walker. She also knew The Boss. 🙂

        I also want to know how Huey got his robot legs. haha
        Did he build it himself or someone else? Maybe that’s why he betrayed Big Boss in Ground Zeroes…

        • No Place For Hayter

          I think his betrayal might have something to do with Straneglove, it is possible that she was kidnapped or something, chances are Huey was blackmailed into allowing the “UN inspection” on board mother base, also chances are that Huey was under the impression that they were only going to check and then leave and did not know that they would blow the whole base up. But either way Huey deserves what is coming for being stupid enough to not trust Big Boss or Kaz and simply succumbing to whatever motivated him to set up the “UN inspection”.

      • No Place For Hayter

        Judging by how messed up the Emmerich Family history is I would not bet on Huey being anything other than the used and abused messed up scientist he has always been, to be honest due to the nature of TPP, Huey will only get worse, probably in some ways we don’t consider.

    • decoyF0XX

      I NEED to see Amanda!

      • Tong Ninja

        I imagine if she is in the game, she would want revenge for Chico (that is IF he is dead).

        • decoyF0XX

          Yeah, and I really hope we get to see Chico too!

  • Justin Wentz

    About the changes to the game’s color and lighting… it’s not that they are actually changes, the earlier versions simply weren’t finalized yet. The shots haven’t been changed, they’ve been FINISHED. That’s how development works. You work up until the very end, honing in on the style you want. But of course, you have to release marketing along the way so it’s really hard to avoid showing unfinished work. Now, the shot that seems to be the biggest offender (Snake pointing his handgun at the camera) MAYBE has gone a little too far. The blooms and flares have perhaps gotten a tad messy. But it’s just not worth complaining about. This game’s cinematography is amazing. So incredibly good. Lighting… color… framing…and overall art direction. The extreme usage of red and anamorphic flares give this game a distinct personality. I love it. but this aspect of the look isn’t new at all. It’s been there since the E3 2013 trailer. The look just didn’t make it’s way into all of the shots yet.

    • Javier

      It was better before.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Yeah, I’m happy they are finishing it the way they want and are polishing the game to death. I have always loved the finished MGS product over the early trailers and demo’s so TPP won’t be different 🙂

  • “Leningrad University of Parapsychology” sounds like mantis all right.

    and regarding the Liquid/Solid Topic, the first time i re watched the trailer after watching it live i concentrated exactly on these scars the differentiate both of them and that’s why i always thought the second child was David…. this is the first time i read that both of them have the same scars and i can’t really see it XD i thought everyone had already checked for the scars but seems that i’m the one mistaken, liquid seems to have one scar on his right cheek and one on his lips right? seriously, i can’t see those on the second child… gotta go to the ophthalmologist

    • It’s hard to see, but they at least have a similar scar around their eyebrows.

      • yeah they do, guess i’m not a supporter of him being Solid anymore

    • Raymondius

      http://i.imgur.com/oN3jGZF.jpg

      It’s difficult to see it in a static image, but now I’ve marked them, try watching the cutscene again focusing on these spots and you’ll see.

      • thanks man! now that you pointed me where to look i can clearly look at the one on his nose and on his eyebrow when watching the trailer, so, no more Liquid/Solid for me, there’s something else happening here

        • Raymondius

          Well, at least that’s what it seems to be. But who knows, if the possibility of this version of Eli turns out to be Solid, the model they’ve used in the trailer could be a placeholder just to not spoil the surprise and make us wonder.

    • Javier

      I can’t read anything in the mantis’s cloths.

      • me neither XD i just trust what Nyxus shared on the post

  • also:

    • Gatsu

      I will have a much bigger smile :D.

    • No Place For Hayter

      I don’t think I will be able to breath correctly the whole day, lol.

    • vic boss

      Sadly I won’t get the game until like the 4th or 7th of September 🙁 becauseof the shipping of the CE. The waiting will be painful knowing that everyone else is playing it while I’m waiting for it.

      • /: hang in there man, think of it as just a couple of days more after years of waiting.

      • ddmaster

        Brother if you ordered from Amazon do like I did and preorder with the 2 day shipping. That way you’ll get it the day it comes out Sept. 1st garaunteed. I’ve preordered from Amazon before and it always works.

  • LegendarySnake51

    Awesome analysis Nyxus! Something a friend noticed between the trailer and the screenshots. We sould all share our PSN for MGO3, mine is LegendarySnake51

    • Gatsu

      That’s well noticed, perhaps it could be. B1g_Boss88 here ;D for PSN.

      • Mini gear

        thekingassassin1 for anyone ^_^

        • Gatsu

          Got that covered already <3.

      • Chem

        chemtrail4 psn comrads

    • No Place For Hayter

      By the amount I have seen the cut-scenes change I would not be surprised if Kojima changed something or removed something to avoid spoiling or because he changed his mind. Can’t wait to see what the final cut-scene looks like 🙂

    • 2 Venomous 4 Kaz

      Good spot! Could be how you customise your own Metal Gear? (If thats in the game). My PSNID is: dekock. I’ll add people that i can find through this mass of comments!!

  • SNKtheStampede

    Hi guys!
    Loooooong time reader (retroactively since mgs.nl, through archive section…) first time commenter.
    With all the crazy stuff coming out in these days I just had to join in. Hope there still a seat on that hype train of yours!
    However I really appreciate those analysis article and sort of editorials published in the past; they are full of info and smart interpretation. Congrats!

    • Welcome! Don’t worry, we can always attach an extra passenger car to the hype train.

      • SNKtheStampede

        Thanks! 🙂

    • Gatsu

      Glad to have you with us! There is always empty seats for more brothers to join ;).

    • Alex

      Welcome comrade, welcome to Diamond Dogs, our home. XD

    • No Place For Hayter

      Welcome 🙂 weird saying that since you have been here longer than me, lol, so welcome to joining the conversations 🙂 it can be difficult to always say welcome in a different way, glad you decided to join in the crazy fun we are having here 🙂

      • SNKtheStampede

        Eh eh thank you mate! I assume that from now on wellcoming new members will be my task too as that’s a great community for metal gear fans and it deserves to develop larger and larger in number!

    • MichaelPayneV

      Welcome!

  • Altaim

    what about the new mgo info that we expected on june 16 or short later?

  • SNKtheStampede

    Hey guys I want to share this with you:
    as, i think, lots of you, I’m replaying the old titles of metal gear waiting for TPP. Now, I play metal gear since I was a child (I’ll be 23 on November) but it was just the other day that I found something I never noticed in MGS2; as soon as you start Plant chapter, in the first hatch you have to open I saw for the first time the writing “MetalGear3GunsofPatriots”. That was quite a revelation! I could justify myself with the fact it was my first playthrough in HD version but still… Finding something new after all these years, that’s one of the things that make me love metal gear!

  • Kevin Kerr Music

    Notice..
    Only BB looks shocked here.. and the camera is in FPS view.. with the right eye missing.

    Id hate to start a war over this but..
    Is BB being introduced to his clone…?

    • Andrea Feletti

      A weapon to surpass…metal gear

    • Gatsu

      I don’t think it’s a clone in FPS view, but maybe Big Boss hears something from them that gives him that shocked face :)? Anyway, I still don’t understand why the right side of the screen is darker like that. It sort of does remind me about MGS3 after BB lose the eye.

      If it would be his clone, wouldn’t the clone have both eyes though D:?

      • Kevin Kerr Music

        if they where going for a clone as in doppelganger, I’m sure they’d just cut out one of this eyes after cloning.

        Just too suspicious as someone is causing him to have that reaction, and they are also missing the same eye.

      • Mini gear

        a mirror?

  • Javier

    What do you guys thing about the new rainbow lighting? I think it’s a little too much.

    • Gatsu

      Hmm well, I love the lighting and dont think it is too much but different opinions for everyone :). Then again I love everything about TPP, lol.

    • Raven_Sorrow

      can you explain? Lighting can be changed to set the mood. you mean in gameplay or in the trailer? where did you felt it was too much?

    • Mini gear

      yeah im not a fan of the over exsessivve color shoved in, i hope theres an otion to put it back to normal

    • FZJanimated

      not a fan of the lensflares in MGS GZ , it was really annoying . is ridiculous… i think kojima is using it waaay to much , i mean ,one thing is to alert you from an enemy ,another is to use it everywhere in cutscenes ,just hurt my eyes e_e

  • Javier

    Do you like the credits at the beginning of the missions?
    I can accept it at the end, but not at the beginning. THIS IS NOT A TV SHOW, it’s a game.

    • Raven_Sorrow

      There were always credits in the beginning of MGS games.. so if it is at start of mission in a non-sequencial game type it doesn’t bother me 🙂

      • Javier

        That was a linear game. So we read it once. Now we are going to read that every time we play a mission, I think there are 50 missions.

        • Raven_Sorrow

          yeah like that it could be too much for some, so the on/off switch should be an option. But in the end it could work. We’ll just have to wait and see 😉

    • Raymondius

      Lol man you feel a little hater today, right? xD

      It’s ok anyways everyone here has an opinion. I have to agree with @raven_sorrow:disqus (hey welcome buddy, forgot to say it before :/) it doesn’t bother me at all and gives you a sense of anticipation for the mission. Reminds me of PW’s initial mission, the in-game credits felt awesome and did a lot for the immersion.

      • Raven_Sorrow

        Ty :3

      • Javier

        There are a lot of things that I don’t like. And the game is still my most wanted game in all my life. I’m going to enjoy it. But I like to talk about everything here and not only with my self.

        • Raven_Sorrow

          critic spirit is what thrives things like games and our selves to become better so you don’t need ever to apologize for that 🙂 i love critics (not the sensationalist “critics” that bring down stuff spectacularly in order to entertain but yes to objective critics :p)

          • Javier

            I would like to sit with hideo and tell him: “I like this, I don’t like that, if someone shoots in a cutscene it still needs to change the magazine, those boobs are too big”. But they don’t hear what we say.

        • Gatsu

          This is a good place to discuss the things :). I just love everything I’ve seen of TPP so much that I can’t dislike anything haha <3… Every game has things some don't necessary like so it's okey.

          TPP has much differences from earlier games so you are not alone with them feelings.

    • Gatsu

      “If you think of Metal Gear Solids 1-4 as movies,” Kojima continued, “[The Phantom Pain] is going to be like a TV series with episodes.” Each episode breaks down into a non-linear missions with that eventually “come together to complete the story we have designed.”

      It’s a game which missions are made into tv-show style. Why are the names bad to have in the beginning of missions 😀 or why should games always follow the same design? Every MGS game has credits in the beginning too. Movies used to do the same but these days usually have them in the end, how we like them it’s a matter of taste.

      • Javier

        You can put the producer name and actors names at the beginning of a game once, not 50 times for the 50 missions.

        • Gatsu

          Hmmm well might like it in the end or not :), but at least we can play while the credits show which is why it dont bother me. It would be imo a totally different thing if we gotta watch the credits go past and then after it be able to move around.

      • Mini gear

        i do feel like kojima pushed the movie sense slightly to far whith tpp, hiring extremly expensive kiefer who douesnt speak much (not that he isnt good in tpp, as i enjoy it) the new 80’s rainbow filter in places and trying to banish cutscenes, this still is the best GOTE game of the eternity, i also like the credits as long as we dont have spoliers or that credit sequence at the end of mission like GZ on shorter missions, hack, im fine with anything he throws (but that new filter in that one scene bothers me)

        • Gatsu

          I agree about TPP being GOTE :). But we don’t know how expensive Kiefer really was, when they said that it was supposed to be a joke if I remember correctly.

          I believe Kojima already had decided that Big Boss is silent like Mad Max, when he was designing the game. And honestly, it makes sense to me thinking of how much bad stuff has happened to him, to wake up from 9 year coma with a horn stuck in the brain etc. It could change your personality :)…

          That 80’s rainbow thing is to me really minor thing amongst all the beauty I will see in TPP.

          To be honest, IMO if David Hayter was in TPP main role, I believe he would be as silent too or talk maybe a bit more. It’s open world so won’t run into cutscenes all the time and mostly talk in cutscenes/cassette tapes.

          Less cutscenes we can blame fans or the many players who didn’t enjoy them in MGS4, and who criticized them a lot. But I think there will still be many in TPP and previewers said that the ones they saw, were goddamn awesome. When we finally get to play ourselves, we can see if Kojima has balanced the open world gameplay with fantastic story perfectly, I believe it works. I love that it’s more gameplay focused, although I loved the heavy cutscene/linear style too.

          P.S. Lol I’m just super optimistic of TPP, but I understand your concerns/opinions :).

          • vic boss

            I was thinking that if we go for the theory that the medic of ground zeroes is the one that is really doing the mission kinda like a vr simulation as Big Boss, it would explain why Big Boss doesn’t really talk that much in TPP, kinda like how he didn’t talk much in GZ until he was in the chopper with the medic. Cause like the medic wasn’t with him the entire time in camp omega , until he was in the chopper so that’d explain why BB was all expressive and everything in the chopper and why we didn’t see the medics face.

    • SNKtheStampede

      it’s a clear reference to tv series format. Personally I’m ok with that UNTILL there is no spoiler in it. Kojima confessed his interest in episodical structure more than once. I think he is experimenting that since mgs4 acts; then of course peace walker is a part of that. Eventually Ground Zeroes can be seen as a pilot episode for tpp. Kojima himself once said it could be a new way of interaction with the players during development, letting theme try a little piece of game, gathering feedback and adjusting the aim. Plus he was wandering on making Sielnt Hills episodical… silent hills 🙁

      • Javier

        The episodical structure aims to sell a game chapter for chapter like revelations 2.

        • Gatsu

          Well lets hope they don’t do that, I honestly hate that kind of episodic format these days. Who thought it would be a good idea to do new Res game with 1 episode coming every 1-2 week lol and charge for it.

          • Javier

            They are testing us. Ground zeroes was a test. The future will be worst.

          • Gatsu

            I don’t believe so :). People WANTED to buy GZ, because it is the long awaited sequel to MGS. Not every game can sell “a demo” like that.

          • Raven_Sorrow

            Nah, GZ was desperation in wanting to give something to the fans for a game being developed for sooooooo long XD

        • Raven_Sorrow

          True, but i there is a difference between episodical STRUCTURE and episodical FORMAT. In revelations 2 the structure is a game sold piece by piece as episodes. In TPP is a format mimicking tv shows, not the game itself.

          • Javier

            I know. I’m just imagining a very possible future.

          • Raven_Sorrow

            i understand your concern, i just choose to be a hopeless optimistic XD and believe that awful trend of episodical structure doesn’t stick

          • Gatsu

            LOL same here XD… I don’t usually like to worry too much of things ;)…

    • FZJanimated

      I think people are going to get annoyed by it , i bet you that people will ask for a patch to remove it or at least make it optional , which is going to be funny if it comes from people complaining about the lack of “Created by hideo kojima ” everywhere. i dunno is cool the first time but is going to get boring and annoying after 100-150 missions ,dont you think ?

      • Raven_Sorrow

        for me personally is not that much of a screen clutter. But yeah, a turn on/off option would be reasonable.

        • FZJanimated

          yeap i hope we can remove all the credits until the final mission , i already know who made the game i dont need them to remind me that every mission ,also not a fan of the opening credits with all characters name appearing in it ,is such a dumb idea.
          i understand they want to make this tv format feeling into it…but im not buying that.

      • Javier

        I’m thinking in that. If I’m going to play a lot of times every mission I don’t need to read the characters every time.

    • Tong Ninja

      I don’t mind it. 🙂

      Maybe the problem is the opening names of the characters that are going to be in that specific mission. It might spoil the story elements. So for example, the opening credits might say: Guest Starring “Zero”, “Eli”, etc. Some people might want that to be a surprise in the cutscenes instead of it being revealed at the beginning of the mission …

      • Gatsu

        Perhaps it don’t reveal all the names like that, especially in the important missions. We’ll see when TPP release :).

      • Raven_Sorrow

        Kojima being the movie buff he is, i don’t believe he would let spoilers be caused by this.

    • Mr.Pony

      It’s an episodic game, Kojima himself explained that the game was to be structured like TV show because he thought it would allow for a better way to tell the story (also to help newcomers to the series understand the story better)

    • MichaelPayneV

      Looks like you missed all Hideo said about MGSV!

  • LegendarySnake51

    I would like to know who could make me an avatar with one of the new Venom Snake picture, I really like to have my own avatar with again my ID Legendary Snake 51 like I made my current one. I saw that Kirtanlorii is an artist haha!

    • MichaelPayneV

      You know who could? YOU if you wouldn’t be so lazy!

    • No Place For Hayter

      Hmmmm, I could try my hand at it, not an artist or an expert but the goal is simple enough and I like tinkering and editing photos and such (no not as in changing peoples face sizes, or other cheap boring entertainment, lol.).

      But you would have to give me any details you would want, like which snake picture or moment, and where your name would be placed in the photo, what font your would want (if you prefer any) and what sizes youo would want (though can’t get any larger than the original photo or picture spot)

  • snakesandfrogs

    Off topic sorry but will the ‘japanese’ MGSV headset work on a North American ps4? Don’t know if there would be any region issues or not. Want to get it but don’t want to waste money on something that wouldn’t work for me. Thanx brothers!

  • ddmaster

    My head is about to explode with this trailer!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Gatsu

      Same here bro ;D… I have watched it today at least 20 times lol. It is just so AMAZING …

  • VenomSnake1974

    As we all know, BB comes from a 9 years coma. How much rehab time for him to get on is feet again?

    • Javier

      Maybe a year

      • VenomSnake1974

        Yeah, likely. So the question is: what happens during this year in MB, besides his rehab? Could be a ultra-fast year, but I guess Raven_Sorrow is right 😀

        • Mini gear

          We’ll dd took three days to fully grow soooooo…kojima

    • Raven_Sorrow

      Answer: “A tutorial” badum tss XD

      • VenomSnake1974

        🙂

    • MichaelPayneV

      Since he is Big Boss, i would say a few days till he could properly walk, and a few weeks to get back in shape!

      • VenomSnake1974

        Well, he IS a legend, but he’s a man also!

    • No Place For Hayter

      I read rehab as Ahab, lol.

    • Snake awakes.
      Doctor comes and starts to explain to him:

      -Dude, you have been in a coma during 9 years, now you have 2 or 3 kids, all your comrades dead, your beloved ones missing away, your old mother base down in the ocean, you will get to suffer every loss and pain as soon as you start to remember all, now you have to rescue Kaz in less than a few hours before it’s late and all the world wants you dead… – The person stops for a moment and stares Snake.
      Snake stares the doctor…
      http://i.imgur.com/c4UdMh2.gif
      -Fuck you all, im going into a coma again.

      LMAO.

      • No Place For Hayter

        Best response ever, I wish I could do that. “Oh HELL no, I am not being a part of this” lol

      • Raymondius

        -Oh, yeah, almost forgot, Snake. If this picture I’m painting does bother you, you better not watch your left arm. Ah, and do not touch your head too much, ok?

        Ooh, but you know what!! There is a chance Paz is still alive! Yeah, man, there was a trailer and stuff… well doesn’t matter, you just relax.

  • Sovereign SnaKe

    After watching this trailer (at least) a dozen times now, I think the final scene at the end with Eli is a hallucination Mantis put into his head (Mantis taking on the form of David) to show him that he does in fact have a twin (clone) brother.

    • MichaelPayneV

      Nice theory!

      • Sovereign SnaKe

        Thank you! 🙂

        • MichaelPayneV

          You’re welcome!

  • ObsessedGeorge

    I have been wondering… In Peace Walker, whenever we are at full capacity or we send to Mother Base soldiers we no longer need, we could “fire” them. Now that things are more serious this time in TPP, how will this work? Is Big Boss gonna “fire” them, or is it going to be more realistic story wise? The soldiers know the location of Mother Base. Following the game’s more dark tone, there is a possibility of BB or Ocelot or Miller killing them.

    • No Place For Hayter

      YOU’RE FIRED! *BANG*

      • Raymondius

        It’s so funny but so scary at the time. xDDD

        • Mr.Pony

          Someone is going to sleep with the fishes at Mother Base

      • i’m sorry:

        • No Place For Hayter

          Burn!

        • Raymondius

          You are indeed on fire with the image, my friend. xDDD

    • RJRO

      I´m pretty sure that in one of the many reviews of the game they say that if you have low morale soldiers will leave.If you fired them they´ll just leave.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Speaking of full capacity, the lines Kaz had when you fultoned more people after you already reached full capacity where hilarious, lol, “MAN OVERBOARD!” “HEY! stop pushing” and being stuffed to standing room only, lol.

      I heard it a LOT considering you have to fulton all like 28 guys when going for an S rank on a vehicle mission, and there are like a million of those, lol.

    • Don’t worry, when you are with top 265 soldiers on Motherbase, you will get nuts into demon mode and kill them all, LOL.

    • Mini gear

      Ohhhhhh lord… Maxing out my nv with 200 limit is gonna lead to alooooooooooot of blood

  • decoyF0XX

    This was a very well written article Nyxus !!

    “Maybe Eli is the leader of a group of child soldiers? And maybe he is referred to as Pig Boss?”

    That part gave me chills, that would be so fucking awesome if it were true!

    Also, do you think the Man on Fire could be an enigma controlled by Psycho Mantis? Seems possible.

    • Yeah, probably. He represents Volgin, one of Big Boss’ ‘phantoms’. In MGS1 Mantis can make people hallucinate as well so that’s probably what’s happening here as well (though apparently the horn is also causing them).

      • decoyF0XX

        Hmmm interesting, make sense that the horn would also amplify the illusions. What’s your personal theory on the horn? Do you have one?

        • Only that it will symbolize his demon side (and maybe it will get larger as this side emerges), but that seems to be a common theory.

          • decoyF0XX

            I’m speculating maybe it was actually put there as a way to manipulate Big Boss mentally. But who knows, can’t wait for Sep 1st to find out the truth.

  • PrinceHeir

    Amazing write up Nyxus! Didn’t realize the thing about Pig Boss 😀

    Also Kaz maybe blind, maybe the reason why he always wear shades in the future games. It could also be the reason why Liquid was able to kill him during MGS1. And since Kaz and Big Boss did met Eli. Eli’s obsession with Big Boss, he probably copied Kaz while the two were always talking to each other as comrades.

    I also feel that Kojima will retcon how Liquid never met Snake. Which is impossible since both were created in the same facility and area. It’s impossible Solid Snake never heard of Liquid unless he had amnesia or he’s memories were erased.

    Also it’s father’s day so Happy Father’s day to the father ones as well as Big Boss 🙂

    http://www.metalgearinformer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Metal-Gear-Solid-V-The-Phantom-Pain-E3-2015-Screen-Big-Boss.jpg

    • Well if they were separated at birth (or shortly after) they won’t have recollection of each other.

      • Arestras

        I’ve been thinking that maybe they did meet before, but they can’t remember (maybe the patriots erased their memories of meeting each other before).

      • Ravenous

        I think it atleast was implied by Eva in MGS4 that they had seperate surrogate-mothers, and I can’t recall anything hinting that Solid and Liquid had ever met before MGS1, so if it actually is the both of them in the trailer; Kojima is retconning or adding more to the story by way of ‘Words to control the subconcious’ (some form of memory-control?) IMHO

        • No, EVA is the surrogate mother of both, but the ovum came from another (Japanese) woman.

    • No Place For Hayter

      What is funny is when creating theories for MGS one has to use past facts and not use an excuse of retcon. This is really funny because Kojima does retcon thus making it impossible to build a theory on this game by using past facts. That is one of the big reasons I laugh off people with large youtube theories such as python, because it is based SO much and irrelevant superficial past events, ideas, and facts, despite the fact that every new MGS is not built off the last ones but is instead built as a lone unit.

      Also Happy Fathers day for every Father out there, specifically Big Boss 🙂

      • decoyF0XX

        MGS4 was built on past facts I think, but it’s always best to leave it out of such discussions as it was a game meant to bring everything together.

        • No Place For Hayter

          Yeah. I tend to not bring it up, as I don’t think anybody really wants to get me going on MGS4, lol.

          Lol, I was just about to start on MGS4, all I will say is that, yes MGS4 was built with the other games in mind, you are right there 🙂 and yeah best to leave it out of discussion about any game released after it.

  • Happy Father’s day indeed

    • Raymondius

      Or: ‘Whaddya mean with ‘three kids?’ Laughing so loud. xD

      PLEASE Crimson, make one of your gifs with Big Boss turning back his head and something like ‘are you kidding me?’ That works for every paranoid theory lol

    • Mr.Pony

      Time to teach your Snake who’s the real Big Boss

    • Ol’ Jack Burton

      Big Boss: Deadbeat Dad

  • WhatTheJuicay

    The scene with the soldiers in shorts and 2 walkers looks like an outer ops team of 6 with 2 vehicles.

    • kirtanloorii

      I was thinking it looked like a rival PMC.

      • WhatTheJuicay

        that too is more likely since the trailer is mostly story based.

  • Commander Miller

    Guys, I’m, about to propose to Quiet, any tips?

    • kirtanloorii

      Yeah. Run.

      • Commander Miller

        Towards or away from her?

        • Ravenous

          No-no, when someone is trying to shoot you zig-zag would be better 😉

          • Raven_Sorrow

            AH you beat me to it XD

          • No Place For Hayter

            Lol, it depends on how tired you want to be when you die, lol.

        • Raven_Sorrow

          Well she IS a sniper so it’s the same.. XD

        • kirtanloorii

          That depends on whether or not you can tackle her before she shoots you.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Yeah, find out her real name first.

    • FoxTamerMGO

      That would be some gay shit if she’s revealed as a transgender.

      • MichaelPayneV

        Transginger?

      • No Place For Hayter

        My first response would be “NOOOOOOOO! THEY WERE RIGHT! IT’S IMPOSSIBLE! NOOOOO!” and then I would start laughing 🙂

  • Chem

    i think is possible that the room with the mirror is the personal room of Big Boss and a reference to Moby Dick as well, in the novel Ahab has this room with instruments of navigation (BB has his tools too, his weapons) and he spend much time meditating there and thinking about his revenge (sounds familiar?) Also i see some medical equipment, and bullets, maybe BB extract the bullets of his body and cure and suture his wounds?

    • Javier

      I think kaz is more similar to ahab than snake.

      • No Place For Hayter

        TPP, does portray Big Boss as Ahab though, as we do see Ishmael in the hospital call Snake “Ahab”. You make a good point though as to what role Kaz plays within the whole Ahab Ishmael situation.

      • Chem

        yes me too, but in the hospital scene Ishmael calls Snake “Ahab”

  • The Reaver

    I realized that in the scene of the trailer where you see a close up of the Psycho Mantis kid’s face, if you look carefully before the sun hits the lens, you can see the kid’s eyes through the gas mask. Also, one of the dead people near the beginning of the trailer is wearing some eye-wear that looks quite peculiar, almost like some sort of protective eye-wear, but maybe it’s just the lighting and angle.

  • guys i can’t stop (half of the blame is on Nyxus for putting that screenshot)

    • Mini gear

      Keep these coming and TPP will be here in no time

    • MichaelPayneV

      Wow, the Environment (Real Life) looks like Fox Engine, or actually Fox Engine looks like Real Life!

    • Gatsu

      That is freakin cool, I love ya XD. Big Boss look so real.

  • BurntFM

    Guys. I finished The Witcher 3’s Story Line. I can say that it was the most satisfying ending for all the nerve-racking choices I had to make. I didn’t reload any saves(I was tempted at some points) and just went with my branching path and it was worth it. The only thing I regret is being paired up with that dumb horse Roach.

    (; – _ -)

    http://i.imgur.com/ndueLeg.gif

    • kirtanloorii

      You’re not supposed to feed your horse crack.

      • BurntFM

        He gets into my Alchemy supplies all the time….he has a problem.

    • Gatsu

      LOL Roach ftw, and also gratz :). Still got a long way to go myself.

    • He’s just doing some exercise, he has to do a lot of running! What level did you reach for Geralt?

      • BurntFM

        by the time I did the final missions I was at lvl34 So it was a very tough mission. I had to use potions and Quen like there was no tomorrow. lol

  • ddmaster

    War is hell, the last thing we want is a fight…..or do we? -random Diamond Dog.

    Btw my Big Boss leather jacket came in yesterday. About had a heart attack but I smelt the leather and what can I say…it’s like BB calmed me down. For real I’m broke but it’s worth it lol. Want to wear it but damn its averaging 98 to 100 heat index where I’m at(sorry us Americans aren’t smart enough to use Celsius). Mother Nature…screw you.

    • Where’s the pictures at?

      • ddmaster

        Me wearing the jacket is now my disqus avatar. But let me see. Took random photo of arm to emphasize the need for that prosthetic. Love the shoulder and arm padding feels loose and comfortable.

        • FoxTamerMGO

          I bought it too, didn’t receive it yet tho. What size is yours?

          • ddmaster

            XL. Fits good. Kinda worried at first that I may have gotten the wrong size but turned out fine thankfully.

          • FoxTamerMGO

            Thanks for the reply :’D I ordered a Medium, i hope it fits.

        • Dude!
          Lemme borrow it…

        • Gatsu

          That’s sooooo awesome!

        • damn, that’s pretty.

          I’m actually saving to see if i can get one custom made hehe

  • Rikimaru

    Been away for a while, but god damn Nyx this was an incredible analysis, of course a lot of questions still roam in my mind. is Skullface an imagination or is it just the villain that pushes the button to make BB go insane? can’t wait for the game!

    PS: For me Skull face is one of the candidates to be one of the best villains in the whole series.

    • MichaelPayneV

      I have a feeling that Skull Face is the Cruel God that made David and Eli from Adam (Snake) and Eve(EVA)!

    • Tong Ninja

      Skull Face is different from the other villains which is a good thing. He might be one of the best villains as well. Zero is interesting as well, and I hope to see him on the Fox Engine! 🙂

    • No Place For Hayter

      It will remain to be seen how good of a character Skull Face will be, I don’t want to label him as a villain yet, but the same goes for every MGS “villain”, every “villain” in the MGS has been hugely dynamic and awesome, so to be one of the best Skull Face would have to be pretty good. As far as we know Skull Face’s most important role could all simply be inside Big Boss’s head and thus does not really contribute to his actual self as being a good character or villain but instead the him inside of Big Boss would be, messed up I know, lol.

      Welcome, Back 🙂

      • Rikimaru

        True, I’m starting to think that there won’t be a good/bad theme for each character or situation, I think there’s going to be more shades of grey throughout the whole game.

    • Gatsu

      Welcome back bro =) and yes Skull Face is a really interesting villain, could be one of the best.

  • kirtanloorii

    Anybody remember when that counter said 180 days?

    • Mini gear

      It’s been so long but feels like yesterday , yet 70 feels like a year ahead

      • kirtanloorii

        Good thing Kojima gives us trailers and gameplay demos.

    • No Place For Hayter

      If feels like Nyxus just put up that timer too, geez.

      • kirtanloorii

        Time sure does fly.

    • Gatsu

      I remember the time when we were desperately begging for release dates and putting our hopes in the next game shows . 70 days so little ;)…

      • kirtanloorii

        *sniff* *sniff* Did someone say release date?!!?

    • korruption

      Yes, that was a dark time. =(

  • FoxTamerMGO

    Anyone noticed how Skull Face calls Zero “Major” in one of his speeches? Why major? Why not Cipher or Zero? Was he one of FOX unit to call him Major?

    • MichaelPayneV

      I bet he was.

    • Tong Ninja

      Kojima stated that we will see the relationship between Skull Face and Zero in MGSV: TPP. He might of worked under Zero before in the past …

  • James Raskalov

    I’d like to point out that “Paz” in that trailer has green eyes instead of blue eyes, which is the incorrect colour. I won’t believe this is an oversight.

    • MichaelPayneV

      I’d also like to point out that Fox Engine sometimes fukks it up!

      • James Raskalov

        Eh. I dunno.

        • Ebbenezer

          What @venom_snake:disqus perhaps means is that the lighting in the Fox Engine sometimes produces odd-ish results. Remember when people thought that Big Boss had gray hair-thing from the gz intro? Then, a day time demo came along and showed that Big Boss still had brown hair. Due to its realism, the Fox Engine might create “optical illusions”, just like real world lighting and eye perception do. You all must remember the famous dress? Was it yellow and gold, or blue and black?

          • James Raskalov

            I know what he’s talking about. I simply doubt it’s the Fox Engine’s fault she has green eyes instead of blue. Something about it doesn’t seem right.
            Maybe I’m imagining it. But I just don’t know.

    • Tong Ninja

      Hmm, but Paz in Ground Zeroes had brown eyes (I think) ….

  • Ebbenezer

    I really don’t see why people think that we are seeing Solid Snake at the end of the trailer. Since there are so many far out elements in this trailer (Paz being alive, Big Boss being chased by horns in the desert), I’m guessing that the segment with Eli is just a dream sequence. Or rather a symbolic cutscene/Eli’s subconsious. What we are seeing is not Solid Snake, but Eli realizing that there are two of him. Hence the exact similarities with the game model. So this is not a confirmation that David will be joining, but a strong hint that LET will featured in some way or the other.

    • Andrea Feletti

      Definitely must be that way

    • Raven_Sorrow

      I just thought of this: we have seen two supposedly members of future Fox-Hound, Liquid and Psycho Mantis. Why not a third one? Someone who can take the form of another perfectly. A disguise master. Could it be that the second Eli is a young Decoy Octopus 😉 Wouldn’t that be cool ?! What do you think about this theory? i also don´t believe that that is David :p

      • Ebbenezer

        I kind of like the idea that we might see Liquid’s version of Foxhound taking form, even though I am against Kojima leaving no rock unturned. For example I still enjoy my vision of how Big Boss’ mercenary days, before Kojima made mgs3 through mgsv, and said exeactly how Big Boss’ legacy came about. Anyway, I digress:

        The second Eli being Decoy Octopus would be another retcon, since he did not start mimicking others before he was an adult. However, according to mgs1, Psycho Mantis was a regular Joe (albeit with telecenethic abilities) until he went apeshit insane after diving into the mind of a serial killer. And since we kind of know that Psycho Mantis is the red haired gas masked kid in TPP, that means that his original backstory must be gone. So; a young Decoy Octopus is plausible, but I just hope that isn’t the case. I want that character to stay enigmatic.

        Mgsv is bound to be retcon fest.

        • Raven_Sorrow

          I’ve been seeing here “retcon” being thrown a lot and i think it’s being used too loosely. Like, it is not uncommon in the MetalGear universe for an “official truth” not being so close to the reality of events 😉 we should assume the “official records” which gives us the characters backgrounds are rectified by the Patriots and now we are seeing the truth for our selves pre-Patriots. I don’t not if i’m getting my point across :/ not a native English speaker but question me and i can be more objective i think XD

          • MichaelPayneV

            Never thought about that.

            Now i’m starting to believe that Big Boss from MGS4 is Skull Face in disguise, and that he is messing with Solid Snake!

          • Raven_Sorrow

            XD well that’s a bit of a stretch XD but hey until proven otherwise every theory is as good as any 😉

          • MichaelPayneV

            Yeah, but i still think that Skull Face has a HUGE ROLE in the behind the scenes of Solid Snake’s Saga, that he planed EVERYTHING, including Big Boss definitive Death in 2014…or maybe he brought him back to life, again (Considering that Skull Face brought him back first when he was killed in MG, and second when he was killed again in MG2:SS!)

          • Ebbenezer

            I am with you both on this, but I hope they don’t use Skull Face to explain something like “and that is how Big Boss became a proper villain! He was misinterpreted and foiled by Skull Face. The hero Big Boss was always a good guy!”. Atleast I would be severly dissappointed. I hope that he corrupts due to the vengeance getting to much a hold of him. In the original Metal Gears, he was simply a man traumatized by war, and kept creating conflicts for him and others like him to feel alive. Fighting became his norm. I don’t know, I just want his fall from grace to be HIS fall from grace, and not just some big misunderstanding.

          • Ol’ Jack Burton

            Exactly this! If they pull a “Boney McSkeleton was the villain all along, Big Bossy was innocent!”, I’ll be pretty disappointed. I’m liking Skully as a villain so far, but hopefully he’s not used too much as a crutch (Same with BB’s brain damage and Kiddy Mantis’ influence) to let Big Boss off the hook in becoming the borderline psychotic tyrant the original MSX games painted him as.

    • MichaelPayneV

      Well maybe there was just 1 Big Boss Clone, and that’s when they divided in to Solid and Liquid.

      I still think that is Solid, but you also have a good point, about splitting, and your point just made my theory whole!

      • Ebbenezer

        I remember Kojima saying that starting the whole clone plot was kind of a mistake, since it made everything extremely complicated. You may be on to something, but I suspect he won’t touch LET. Or rather; he won’t complicate further. Atleast I hope so 😛

        • MichaelPayneV

          No, he said that killing Liquid in MG:S was a mistake.

          • Ebbenezer

            That is true. And I don’t have a source for what I wrote, so I’m kind of shooting in the dark, here. Me remembering does not mean much, I guess!

          • Ol’ Jack Burton

            Nah nah, your memory’s not playing tricks on you, he did indeed say he regretted making Solid Snake a clone (No idea whether he’d include Liquid in this, tho’).

            “I was talking about TV series, in case of MGS, I always make this would be the last so I don’t really think ahead. If I thought ahead, I wouldn’t have made the main character be clone, the ending to be hard to continue. & More, I wouldn’t have killed Liquid as being popular.”

          • Ebbenezer

            Thanks!

            Having George Sears, a Big Boss clone, be a United States president was perhaps even more far out, in my opinion. I would not have it any other way, but it creates a lot of weird questions, like did Solid Snake ever wonder why the president looks like Big Boss? It is fruitless to apply that kind of logic though, since Solid Snake (apparantly) never saw Big Boss and said “you know, we kind of look kind of alike”.

            Clones was pretty cyberpunk back in the day, and Kojima just takes from what inspires him at any given time, I guess.

          • MichaelPayneV

            And as promised, i apologize!

          • Ebbenezer

            No need! 🙂 Near impossible to keep track of it all.

          • No Place For Hayter

            I’m really glad Kojima makes games stand alone 🙂

            MG:S is a masterpiece and it would hurt the game and its themes if Liquid did not die and if Solid was not a clone just like Liquid.

          • MichaelPayneV

            I don’t have a source either, too lazy to link it, so you’ll have to trust me for now, and if i’m wrong i’ll apologize!

          • No Place For Hayter

            “MG:S” Thank you, even I’m to lazy to call it by its actual name I always simply call it “MGS”

          • MichaelPayneV

            I sometimes call it MGS1, but i mostly call it MG:S to show that i know more about it then those youngsters.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Kojima is going to go nuts with cloning and everything psychological in TPP, lol. But yeah I agree that it isn’t Solid Snake at the end.

      !

      Welcome 🙂 it is great to see so many people just jump straight into the fun, though the true fun will begin when we finally play TPP 🙂

      • Ebbenezer

        Thanks! I usually never post on any forum I lurk on (been visiting here for yeaars). It just started to itch when I saw everybody thinking that the end sequence of the trailer shows Solid Snakes TPP model. I just had contribute with my to cents.

        • It is strongly suggested by the way it is presented in the trailer that he is Solid Snake, but it could also very well be (as you said) something in Liquid’s mind when he hears about his clone brother, and he imagines something who looks like a copy of himself.

          • Ebbenezer

            Thanks for a good read, nice artice. I agree that it is strongly suggested that we’re seeing Solid Snake, since they mention LET in the voice over and show an Eli-double. However the character models are identical, and since it seems awkward for two twelve year old strangers to stand next to each other taking turns in opening their eyes, I’m just guessing it is a dream/subconscious sequence, and it is Eli realising he has a duplicate.

            LET will be touched upon, though. Most definitely. I’m personally hoping that Solid Snake stays out of it, and that if we see him, it will be as an adult military operative. He’s always had his head screwed on right, and tossing him into TPP’s battlefields as a child would make him corrupt and traumatized like… well, Liquid, I guess.

  • The another day i was talking about the possibility that Paz we saw in the trailer, it could be a clone.
    But what about if the real clone is the dead one? O.o Dun-dun-dunnnnn

    What if she is a young clone of The Boss? If Cipher can make clones now, what reason to stop them now? What’s the eye color of The Boss? O.o Dun-dun-dunnnnn

    Can’t wait any longer! – Johnny said.

  • Flameeater

    Is it just me or does something look very off about Paz character model. Like it is a low poly or unfinished version? It looks flat. It doesn’t appear to me to be anywhere near as detailed as the rest of the cast. or even as detailed as her Ground Zeros counterpart. Hologram perhaps?

    • MichaelPayneV

      That’s just you!

    • Shalashaska

      Buddy..pause it and check her face.. its pretty detailed. It looks like that to you because she is emontionless.

  • LetTheLegendComeBackToLife

    Big Boss Kabul.
    I’m new to this site, just joined today. I’d be telling a lie by saying I was a long time fan of Metal Gear, truth is I’m obsessed with MGS, have been ever since I met Solid Snake on Shadow Moses. To me it’s more than a game, it opened my eyes to life, and the way the world works…. humanity. Kojima is more than just a game developer, he’s also a philosopher to me. Reading the comments left by some of you guys, I sat there thinking… ‘Yeah, these guys get MGS just as much as I do’. I don’t know how it took me so long to find this site, I’m just happy that I did.

    • No Place For Hayter

      Welcome 🙂 glad to have someone whom understands more than just entertainment for the sake of passing the time. Kojima understands story telling and its greater purpose.

      Yeah, I have been a fan way longer than I have been at this site, don’t know how I missed it until I did, lol. But at least we are here now 🙂

      • this made me remember how i found out about this site XD it was kind of weird i was just in front of the PC like any other day without anything interesting to read and thought “hey, there has to exist an interesting Metal Gear only page, with all the info and stuff” and a google search after that, voila, i was a follower of the informer (though i didn’t comment until half a year after that probably,i didn’t even had a disqus account)

    • ObsessedGeorge

      Welcome brother! Better late than never they say. MGI is a big place, l expect you to become quite familiar with those comrades as you plan your next comment. How and where you converse, well that’s up to you. Now go! LetTheLegendComeBackToLife!

      • LetTheLegendComeBackToLife

        Hahahaha, brilliant response, had me laughing out loud at work.

    • Gatsu

      Welcome to Mother Base :), it seems our Big Boss, Nyxus has fultoned even more friendly comrades!
      Hope you enjoy your stay <3.

      • ObsessedGeorge

        No surprise the Brig is always empty. 😉

    • MichaelPayneV

      Welcome to Outer Heaven!

  • Azarul Nazim Abdullah

    Spoiler MGSV Preview Compilation from Yong… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx0-PECaEvM

  • Antonino Truisi

    Small introductory video that reconstructs in my view the duality between big boss and skull face

    Metal Gear Solid V: Big Boss X Skull Face

  • Dotcum22

    Wow thnx for this extra info i am so hyped right now i am checking on a daily basis for more info about mgs

  • Alberto Sánchez

    This is a fucking good-written post, Nyxus.

  • ADAMJENSEN13

    The scene where You are riding a car with Skull Face and talking and at the end of talk Sins of the fathers plays that is Awesome!!!!!
    “Les Enfants terribles…” I really like how Kiefer Sutherland says that in the end of the trailer.
    This game is the best!

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